(October 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Except you're wrong, the claim isn't that revelation(bible) is the source, the creator is the source. God created the universe with objective governing laws, and as a result we too are dictated under the same objective laws.
As the conclusion of a logical demonstration I agree that the rational order of the world is contingent on a rational Creator god. What I object to is saying that the existence of a rational Creator can serve as a valid premise with which to start a logical demonstration. That is the difference between classical apologetics (like the 5 Ways or the Kalam) and a presuppositionalist one.