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Solved Theodicy?
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RE: Solved Theodicy?
(October 24, 2016 at 9:46 am)_Velvet_ Wrote: Being the case, Yahweh would have willingly created something which is the exact opposite of what consists his will, desire and nature, which would be evil, and made humans intrinsically able to be evil, and to be fair, they would statistically do so on a 50% chance given he doesn't further interfere on the creation.

Therefore on this philosophical scenario, Yahweh would have created evil, and with good reasons to do so, his omnibenevolence, omnipotence, and omniscience not conflicting with each other (for the very first time!).
Everything you said up until this point sounds like Plantinga's "free will defense" of the logical problem of evil, but I don't see how God creates the evil that is enacted voluntarily by free beings if the premises of the free will defense are sound, and that a world of free creatures in possession of moral responsibility is a better world despite the evil that will inevitably result.  In such a case, God creates the beings, with a freedom which is intrinsically more valuable than a lack thereof, and what those free beings choose to do as a result, even if sometimes it goes against God's particular will, is consistent with his general will, which involved free beings, moral responsibility, and in the biblical narrative, atonement.  In the end, to put a Leibnizian head on it, I suppose one might say that this world is the best of all worlds, at least if we're temporarily setting aside natural evils, because it includes the greatest number of possible free beings whom would choose to do good, or contrarily, the least number of possible free beings would choose to do evil.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Solved Theodicy? - by _Velvet_ - October 24, 2016 at 9:46 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Soldat Du Christ - October 28, 2016 at 11:40 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by vorlon13 - October 28, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 28, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Ravenshire - October 29, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Eugeny_Anatolievich - October 29, 2016 at 1:36 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 29, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by AFTT47 - October 29, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 29, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 29, 2016 at 9:22 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - October 29, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - October 29, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by bennyboy - October 29, 2016 at 6:07 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by AFTT47 - October 29, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 29, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2016 at 12:09 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 30, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - November 3, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:53 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - November 3, 2016 at 4:29 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 5, 2016 at 6:52 pm

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