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Solved Theodicy?
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RE: Solved Theodicy?
(October 29, 2016 at 9:53 am)AFTT47 Wrote: The bottom line is that if an omniscient God created the universe and set it in motion, it would have known what the outcome would be. There is no way to take responsibility off of God. It knew what the result of its creation would be and chose to follow through on it anyway. Free will is absolutely irrelevant here. Everything is the way it is because God made it so. It created the free will with prior knowledge of how it would be used.
I'd have to disagree. If we're talking about libertarian free will (and assuming it is a coherent idea, which I do not think it is), then the buck stops with the free agent. That's not to say that it logically follows that God is justified in creating free agents -- I would argue that any creation involving beings whom are less than perfect, even if that is in proportion to something less than some ultimate perfection, is a degradation from the prior state in which only the ultimate perfection existed, and, that by creating imperfect beings God was in fact degrading the total moral and ontological goodness which was then in existence, which does not seem consistent with any conception of a perfect being -- but I don't see that God is morally responsible for the bad choices that on the libertarian model begin and end with the free agents who are the first cause/unmoved movers of their own actions, even if he knew that in many instances evil would be freely chosen.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Solved Theodicy? - by _Velvet_ - October 24, 2016 at 9:46 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Soldat Du Christ - October 28, 2016 at 11:40 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by vorlon13 - October 28, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 28, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Ravenshire - October 29, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Eugeny_Anatolievich - October 29, 2016 at 1:36 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 29, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by AFTT47 - October 29, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 29, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 29, 2016 at 9:22 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - October 29, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - October 29, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by bennyboy - October 29, 2016 at 6:07 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by AFTT47 - October 29, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 29, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2016 at 12:09 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 30, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - November 3, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:53 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - November 3, 2016 at 4:29 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 5, 2016 at 6:52 pm

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