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Solved Theodicy?
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RE: Solved Theodicy?
(October 29, 2016 at 1:16 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, but if we have real free will, he doesn't know the outcome of our actions in advance. This is the contradiction, and theists often want to have it both ways. If God isn't able to know the future, which is a very reasonable proposition, he can indeed receive less of the blame. It's when he's given every opportunity and every power that there is literally no excuse for him. A less-than-all-powerful God can be argued to be doing its best.
The omniscience is supposed to be predicated on the fact that the agent has made a free choice. Is that contradictory? Perhaps. It certainly seems to be a nonsensical instance of backwards causality, placing God's attributes in the uncomfortable position of being contingent on creation, on a process of events that have not yet actually come to pass: the event that hasn't occurred in time causes God to have knowledge of actual choices, or, prior to the actualization of temporal events, which God sees from all temporal vantage points, knowledge of the choices were known to him as mere logical possibilities. It seems that the theist wants to say that God did not know everything (that S would choose x) until he actualized sequences in time, and therein gained omniscient knowledge of all S chooses/will choose... Although the cause of this newfound power is unknown. It is, at the very least, awkward.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Solved Theodicy? - by _Velvet_ - October 24, 2016 at 9:46 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Soldat Du Christ - October 28, 2016 at 11:40 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by vorlon13 - October 28, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 28, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Ravenshire - October 29, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Eugeny_Anatolievich - October 29, 2016 at 1:36 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 29, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by AFTT47 - October 29, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 29, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Mudhammam - October 29, 2016 at 9:22 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - October 29, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - October 29, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by bennyboy - October 29, 2016 at 6:07 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by AFTT47 - October 29, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Arkilogue - October 29, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 29, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by Minimalist - October 30, 2016 at 12:09 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - October 30, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - November 3, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:53 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by robvalue - November 3, 2016 at 4:29 am
RE: Solved Theodicy? - by theologian - November 5, 2016 at 6:52 pm

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