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Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris

November 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm (This post was last modified: November 4, 2016 at 6:21 pm by abaris.)

(November 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: @ Abaris

I'm not saying we intrinsically have to assume his premises. I'm saying we have to assume his premises in order for his conclusion to follow from his premises.

Sure, but why should we do that without reflecting on the scenario?

(November 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Why would there be a limit to it any more than there's a limit to other ways computers are improving?

Because we put that shit together. And an apple G4 from the year 2000 isn't able to do the same things my current rig can do. My old G4, which I gave to charity, didn't evolve by itself, sadly.

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Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:09 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2016 at 10:23 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 10:26 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:31 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 10:38 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:41 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 11:50 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:05 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:09 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:16 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:15 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 2:57 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 1:19 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:22 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:24 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 2:32 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 2:40 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:04 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by account_inactive - November 4, 2016 at 3:22 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 3:30 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:47 pm

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