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Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris

November 5, 2016 at 7:28 am

(November 5, 2016 at 5:54 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(November 4, 2016 at 7:35 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: And only a very small portion of what the brain does is actually relevant to intelligence.

Depending on how you define intelligence.

But that doesn't help if you are trying to create artificial intelligence. This is why classical AI failed after trying to get some success after 40 years. This is why the fields of new AI / non-symbolic AI and artificial Life came about.

Intelligence isn't just about reasoning about abstract things. It includes sensory processing, linguistics, motor co-ordination. This all requires learning and adaptation to an environment. Why wouldn't you call that intelligence?

Because it's fucking irrelevant to what we want to reproduce in a machine.

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Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:09 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2016 at 10:23 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 10:26 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:31 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 10:38 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:41 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 11:50 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:05 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:16 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:15 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 2:57 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 1:19 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 2:32 pm

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