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Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris

November 5, 2016 at 7:41 am

Pathetic responses EP not even worth countering. Looks like any reasoned debate has left this thread long ago. If you get called out on your unstated assumptions then start insulting the person doing it.

I knew it was a mistake coming back to this thread but I genuinely love talking about AI and the understanding that it gives us. Looks like a disaster porn thread isn't the right place for that.

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Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:09 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2016 at 10:23 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 10:26 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:31 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 10:38 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 10:41 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 11:50 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:05 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:09 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:16 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:15 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 2:57 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 1:19 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 1:22 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:24 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 2:32 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 2:40 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 2:58 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 1:29 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 2:44 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 2:51 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Grandizer - November 4, 2016 at 3:05 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by vorlon13 - November 4, 2016 at 1:51 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 2:05 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 2:13 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Whateverist - November 4, 2016 at 2:16 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by brewer - November 4, 2016 at 2:17 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 2:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by vorlon13 - November 4, 2016 at 2:30 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 2:34 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by SteelCurtain - November 4, 2016 at 2:46 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 2:48 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:09 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 2:56 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 3:02 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:24 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 3:04 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by account_inactive - November 4, 2016 at 3:22 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Tiberius - November 4, 2016 at 3:25 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 3:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 3:30 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 4:41 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Tiberius - November 4, 2016 at 3:39 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 3:59 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Tiberius - November 4, 2016 at 4:26 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 4:44 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:00 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by ApeNotKillApe - November 4, 2016 at 3:40 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 3:46 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 4:00 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 4:02 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 4:50 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 4:52 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:04 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 5:03 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:05 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 5:08 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:11 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 5:09 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:12 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 5:15 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:18 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 5:30 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:46 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 6:07 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:14 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:16 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:39 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:47 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:09 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 5:13 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 5:16 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 5:22 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:31 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 5:36 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:38 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 5:47 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 4, 2016 at 5:52 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 6:14 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 6:18 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 7:21 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:31 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Gemini - November 4, 2016 at 7:44 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 8:15 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 8:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 5, 2016 at 5:48 am

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 5, 2016 at 5:50 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2016 at 9:46 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:35 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 6:03 pm

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 5, 2016 at 6:06 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by abaris - November 5, 2016 at 6:15 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 5, 2016 at 7:30 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 6:55 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 6:55 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 6:56 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 7:09 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:22 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 7:37 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Tiberius - November 4, 2016 at 7:39 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Tiberius - November 4, 2016 at 7:41 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 4, 2016 at 7:47 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 8:07 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 8:19 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 8:23 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 8:32 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 8:22 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 4, 2016 at 8:30 pm

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 5, 2016 at 5:38 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 5, 2016 at 7:19 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2016 at 1:39 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 5, 2016 at 5:46 am

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RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2016 at 9:35 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by I_am_not_mafia - November 5, 2016 at 7:41 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 5, 2016 at 7:44 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Tiberius - November 5, 2016 at 9:16 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2016 at 9:36 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by Excited Penguin - November 5, 2016 at 11:06 am

RE: Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 10:59 am

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