On Logic and Alternate Universes

[The Grand Nudger]

We do agree, our agreement is irrelevant to the hypothetical.  :points and laughs:

We don't agree on everything. We don't agree on the nature of the hypothetical.

We actually do..  I think it's irrational, unreasonable, meaningless. Nevertheless, it exists.  

If we agreed on everything then you'd agree with me that there can be no hypotheticals that don't apply the law of identity and no universe can be described where 2+2 does not =4 in the base 10 sense.

OFC I don't agree with you on the things which are false by simple reference to their existence in this very thread.  I'd have to be a complete moron.

And what is the point of that?

What's the point in bickering over the actuality of identity to which w both agree when it has nothing to do with the question asked?  No point at all, but obviously, I;m incapable of helping you crawl out of the hole and so I point and laugh, and you're incapable of addressing the question asked..so you bicker with someone who agrees with you about identity.

Well it's certainly less bottomless than mine.

Maybe you're just a better man than I, Ham, lol. / shrugs

No. Just no. Remember, I think your posts are retarded just as much as you think mine are.

Are you enjoying making fun of me? Because it's kind of pointless because if you don't want to debate this anymore you could just, you know, say so.

 
I am, yes, I'd enjoy it more if you could have a rational conversation about the point of contention, but failing that, so long as you persist, all that's left are jokes.

Well I also think you're awesome and like you a lot. I hope you don't take any of this personally, I'm super stubborn when I think I'm right, and especially when I am right, but one thing I always notice when someone calls me "stubborn" as an insult is they're persistently or 'stubbornly' disagreeing with me just as much as I am them. And when someone tells me I'm just trying to have the last word because I respond to everything they say: They're guilty of exactly the same thing, they're responding to everything I say. And when they say I'm just "trying to have the last word", they're just trying to have the last word. Now obviously two wrongs don't make a right, but you're guilty of the same stubbornness from my point of view that I am from yours, so what is your purpose when you tell me to "stop" or say I'm "stubborn" or when you point and laugh. Is it just that you are enjoying yourself and want to see how I react? Because if so, I'm glad to be of service.

I don't take any of it personally, take heart.  It's a game to me, including trash talking.  I know you;re stubborn.  You;re actually falling nto the same business you fel into last time with that argument you reminded me of, lol.  You think you;re so damned right you can;t realize that I'm not telling you that your wrong, just that what you're right about is irrelevant to the question proposed by me, or the OP.

And yet it doesn't matter how we arrange it... four things is the same amount of things as two things and two things.

Right, and in that universe, five things is the same as two things and two things.  Take it or leave it. 

I don't think you even understand the use/mention distinction. At this point I feel it's definitely not a failure of my explanation, it's a failure of your understanding.

I do, it's just irrelevant. 

You're talking about the concepts of math instead of the truths of math then. I've been repeatedly trying to allude to the use/mention distinction and you keep showing me how you ARE making that error.

One of the truths of math, in that hypothetical universe, is that 2+2=5.