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Classical Liberalism
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RE: Classical Liberalism
(June 5, 2011 at 3:38 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:
Quote:If they can harm you if you are honest with everything and talking to everybody as to your close friends, then it means that you are being restricted the freedom of speech by the people around you.

Or you restrict yourself, which many of us do. We can't speak because we won't speak, only if we would could we.
Yeah, even a jew has the freedom to speak against Islam in an islamic country. Only that he would be killed, probably in a very painful way, and a lot of jews will die after him. But, in order for "freedom of speech" to be possible (i.e. either it is, or it is not), we use "freedom of speech" to mean, when others do not restrain you (e.g. by threatening you with punishment if you do).

Look what I've found:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freedom Wrote:exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
the power to determine action without restraint.
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Freedom, independence, liberty refer to an absence of undue restrictions and an opportunity to exercise one's rights and powers. Freedom emphasizes the opportunity given for the exercise of one's rights, powers, desires, or the like: freedom of speech or conscience; freedom of movement.
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the quality or state of being free, esp to enjoy political and civil liberties
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the quality, esp of the will or the individual, of not being totally constrained; able to choose between alternative actions in identical circumstances
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in humans, the power or capacity to choose among alternatives or to act in certain situations independently of natural, social, or divine restraints. Free will is denied by those who espouse any of various forms of determinism.
So if the society restrains a man from doing something (using threats with punishment, or other similar things) then he is not free to do it.

Quote:The reverse can happen though, where similar things are taken to be a challenge to one's position. I don't care what different jobs you have or what all you can manage... so long as you are not taking mine from me Heart
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

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Quote:And that panda was not free to eat, because he was not allowed by his 'master' (his master could have denied it from him any time he wanted).

You kidding? He kicked his master's ass for that last dumpling. Afterwards he says "I'm not hungry", which is significant if you've watched the movie.
But at the end, if you watch more careful, his master let him eat it. If his master really wanted, he had time before the panda said "I'm not hungry" to take the food, again.

Quote:Your inability to kill everyone belies your lack of freedom to do so. You cannot because you will not.
I cannot because I am physically incapable of doing it.

(June 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: More blood and gore just makes it a little prettier Heart

Are you a death metal fun? perhaps brutal death metal?

(June 7, 2011 at 11:13 am)Epimethean Wrote: I do not see his inability to kill being analogous to his lack of desire. I have no idea whether he wants to kill everyone, but it is impossible for him to do so. The two things, intent and ability must be kept separate until there is an action. Judging the inaction must only be that there is inaction: Its cause may be one, or the other.

Yeah, agree. Desire & capability are two different things. There are actually three (mostly): desire, freedom do it, and physical (or whatever) capability.

Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:Even though a man has a gun in his room, he is unable to kill his wife and children with it. Desire has everything to do with what one does with power when they have it.
Actually, it depends on the man. And desire has not, perhaps anything to do with freedom (and freedom is different than "possible" - that's why there are two different words, after all!)

Quote:This man picks up the gun and goes out to hunt a rabbit. He is successful because he has not made himself incapable of killing rabbits.
He is successful for more reasons (one, because he found a rabbit; second, because he learned to shoot well at a target; third, because he caught the rabbit by surprise, etc.)

Quote:Who is to say the man is not truly able to kill the entire human race? Is it such a hard thing to do?
Well, I think most agree with that. Or what, do you have enough nuclear rockets and physically capable to launch them?
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Messages In This Thread
Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 7, 2011 at 7:50 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 7, 2011 at 5:09 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Minimalist - April 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 7, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 8, 2011 at 1:12 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 8, 2011 at 1:19 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 8, 2011 at 1:43 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 8, 2011 at 3:32 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 8, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 11, 2011 at 7:30 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Minimalist - April 8, 2011 at 1:41 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 2:50 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 6:22 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 8, 2011 at 8:19 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Tiberius - April 8, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 8, 2011 at 7:08 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 8, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 7:29 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 8, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 8:50 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 9:05 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 8, 2011 at 10:55 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 8, 2011 at 11:28 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Tiberius - April 9, 2011 at 10:53 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 11, 2011 at 10:57 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 9, 2011 at 12:18 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by HeyItsZeus - April 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 12, 2011 at 2:49 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by HeyItsZeus - April 13, 2011 at 10:56 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 9, 2011 at 3:25 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Tiberius - April 9, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by HeyItsZeus - April 9, 2011 at 3:38 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 9, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by HeyItsZeus - April 9, 2011 at 4:13 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 9, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Dotard - April 9, 2011 at 7:45 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 9, 2011 at 11:29 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Dotard - April 10, 2011 at 10:38 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 11, 2011 at 2:56 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 12, 2011 at 3:53 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 13, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 13, 2011 at 10:14 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by HeyItsZeus - April 13, 2011 at 10:15 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 13, 2011 at 10:53 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - April 15, 2011 at 2:48 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by theVOID - April 15, 2011 at 4:35 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - April 16, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by LastPoet - April 17, 2011 at 1:39 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Zenith - May 28, 2011 at 9:36 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - May 28, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Zenith - May 30, 2011 at 9:55 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by reverendjeremiah - May 28, 2011 at 7:16 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - May 30, 2011 at 3:04 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - June 4, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Zenith - June 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - June 5, 2011 at 3:38 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Zenith - June 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Epimethean - June 7, 2011 at 11:13 am
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - June 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Epimethean - June 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - June 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Epimethean - June 7, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - June 7, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Classical Liberalism - by Violet - June 8, 2011 at 4:27 pm



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