(November 13, 2016 at 2:06 am)robvalue Wrote: Erm... you said sexual abuse will always be immoral, and so god can't say it's moral. That's telling God how to run shit.
The problem, of course, is when theists try to say morality is about wellbeing and what God wants. If these two happen to be the same, then God is entirely irrelevant. If they differ, God poisons morality.
Erm... Sexual Abuse will always be immoral, for it is against God's will which is unchanging. So, it is based from God and not based from people.
It is not true that if well being and God's will are the same, then God is entirely irrelevant, for we can argue soundly that the source of well being is God. So, if there's no God, then there's no well being. But, there is God, per sound theistic arguments like the Five Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas. To deny the conclusions in Five Ways that God exists is to both deny things which are evident, (for the Five Ways starts with the things that are evident), and to deny laws of logic (for the Five Ways utilized valid logical forms).
