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Poll: What's your stance on the supernatural?
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Not a naturalist
11.43%
4 11.43%
Methodological naturalist
34.29%
12 34.29%
Philosophical naturalist
45.71%
16 45.71%
Other (please specify)
8.57%
3 8.57%
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Your position on naturalism
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RE: Your position on naturalism
Thank you for what I take to be a genuinely held position on your part.  We've been suffering a barrage of Poes and trolls so not something to be taken for granted.  I'd love to explore this with you if you're game.  

(November 20, 2016 at 10:33 pm)theologian Wrote: If everything is natural, then we deny principle of sufficient reason,

I probably need you to unpack that for me.  Whether or not things have a sufficient reason, I would never assume we are equipped to understand them all.  So something which seemingly lacked a sufficient reason might well have one like that, which we just can't comprehend.


(November 20, 2016 at 10:33 pm)theologian Wrote: ..because every natural being being defined by its nature which in turn must be defined by what is not defined by nature, the beyond natural, the super-natural or supernatural.

Why should that be?  Aren't you begging the question of whether any such thing as the supernatural exists, smuggling it in without arguing for it?


(November 20, 2016 at 10:33 pm)theologian Wrote: But, I think no one can deny sufficient reason coherently, because everything we observe, we know that it must have a sufficient reason. Therefore, not everything is natural and hence there exist at least one supernatural being.

This seems to just repeat your last paragraph.
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Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 4:01 am
RE: Your position in naturalism - by Jesster - November 20, 2016 at 4:06 am
RE: Your position in naturalism - by Longhorn - November 20, 2016 at 4:11 am
RE: Your position in naturalism - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 4:35 am
RE: Your position in naturalism - by Longhorn - November 20, 2016 at 4:12 am
RE: Your position in naturalism - by Whateverist - November 20, 2016 at 5:21 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 6:03 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 6:28 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 20, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 7:10 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 20, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by paulpablo - November 20, 2016 at 7:32 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2016 at 8:21 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by brewer - November 20, 2016 at 8:40 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 20, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Alex K - November 20, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by chimp3 - November 20, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 20, 2016 at 11:05 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Primordial Bisque - November 20, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by FallentoReason - November 20, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 20, 2016 at 9:11 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by FallentoReason - November 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2016 at 9:03 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Thumpalumpacus - November 20, 2016 at 9:50 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by theologian - November 20, 2016 at 10:33 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 20, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by theologian - November 20, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 1:12 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Primordial Bisque - November 20, 2016 at 11:59 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Angrboda - November 20, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by theologian - November 21, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Doubting Thomas - November 21, 2016 at 8:50 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 12:59 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Edwardo Piet - November 22, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Minimalist - November 21, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 22, 2016 at 6:45 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 7:25 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 22, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 7:28 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Pat Mustard - November 22, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 7:44 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 22, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 8:15 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 22, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by purplepurpose - November 22, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by purplepurpose - November 22, 2016 at 1:42 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 22, 2016 at 9:07 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 23, 2016 at 9:23 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 22, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 12:05 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 6:52 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 7:45 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 7:47 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 24, 2016 at 2:36 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Edwardo Piet - November 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 7:30 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Edwardo Piet - November 24, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 23, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 7:00 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 7:09 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 24, 2016 at 6:10 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 24, 2016 at 6:36 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Alex K - November 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 23, 2016 at 7:22 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 23, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - November 24, 2016 at 2:07 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Pat Mustard - November 24, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Pat Mustard - November 24, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 6:22 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Pat Mustard - November 25, 2016 at 6:05 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 24, 2016 at 6:52 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 24, 2016 at 11:46 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 4:07 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 25, 2016 at 5:23 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 7:16 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - November 24, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 7:19 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 24, 2016 at 2:11 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 24, 2016 at 3:15 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 24, 2016 at 3:19 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Excited Penguin - November 24, 2016 at 6:54 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 24, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by RiddledWithFear - November 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - November 24, 2016 at 8:56 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - November 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 6:03 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 25, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 26, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Edwardo Piet - November 24, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 6:52 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Silver - November 24, 2016 at 10:28 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 24, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by rado84 - November 25, 2016 at 6:27 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by robvalue - November 25, 2016 at 6:32 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 25, 2016 at 9:50 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by bennyboy - November 25, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 1:05 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 25, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Ignorant - November 25, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Your position on naturalism - by Whateverist - November 25, 2016 at 11:21 pm

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