(November 27, 2016 at 7:35 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God existence is known by everyone so no proof is needed or even proposed.
Then why has humanity worshipped millions of different gods over the course of our history? Did God give everyone the innate knowledge that he exists, but nothing more? If so, how do you know that it's the God who spoke to Moses? Or that there ever even was a Moses? Why would God give us the certainty that he is real but not give us a way of verifying that feeling? Why would he give us that certainty, knowing that it would lead to centuries of bloodshed and horrific treatment of one another and that all of that suffering was utterly unnecessary if he'd just given us a name?
Why do you think up ideas like "everyone KNOWS god exists" without realizing that it doesn't get you any further than "god is necessary"? The evidence for your god is so poor that you fall back on awful crap like that without realizing what it means. If that's the best you can do then we're at square one: god... kinda probably exists... maybe. This is what you're hanging an eternal reward or punishment on. And you seem to think that the existence of a god who plays sick games like that is the PREFERABLE outcome. You don't know what you're wishing for.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
