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"Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm*
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RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm*
(December 4, 2016 at 1:52 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Do you think that if there is scientific information, which weakens the case for evolution, that it should not be taught along with the evidence for it?

But that's not how science is done. If there is "information" that challenges all or part of the theory of evolution, then it should be tested scientifically. Presumably, this information comes in the form of an observation around which a hypothesis can be formed with outcomes that can either verify or falsify it, then experiments and tests can be performed and the results outlined in articles that are submitted for peer review. Through this process, the theory might be amended, changed, or even completely replaced.

We should not just grab at pieces of "scientific information" and then "teach them along with the evidence" for evolution. If there are areas where evolution can be falsified or changed, then make observations and do the research and submit the findings for peer review. This is, IMO, the crux of the 'teach the controversy' argument-- that there is some piece of information that threatens to undermine the theory of evolution and scientists and teachers are refusing to give 'the other side' a proper place at the discussion. That's not how science is done. There are methods and mechanisms in place for changing or replacing scientific theories-- use them.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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"Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:13 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 12:56 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:59 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Brian37 - December 6, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Minimalist - August 21, 2016 at 1:13 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by purplepurpose - August 21, 2016 at 1:39 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Pat Mustard - August 24, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2016 at 7:32 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by zebo-the-fat - August 21, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Whateverist - August 21, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 11:17 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by rexbeccarox - August 21, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Minimalist - August 23, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Aristocatt - December 6, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Jehanne - December 6, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - December 6, 2016 at 8:52 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by rexbeccarox - August 23, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Minimalist - August 23, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Minimalist - August 24, 2016 at 12:19 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by dyresand - August 24, 2016 at 12:06 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ScienceAf - August 24, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2016 at 12:42 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by robvalue - August 24, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Crossless1 - August 24, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Minimalist - August 24, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Crossless1 - August 24, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2016 at 11:27 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2016 at 11:27 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - August 24, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ScienceAf - August 24, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by LadyForCamus - August 25, 2016 at 10:11 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ScienceAf - August 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - November 28, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - November 29, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - November 29, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - December 6, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Pat Mustard - December 7, 2016 at 6:29 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - November 29, 2016 at 8:46 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - November 30, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - December 4, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Tonus - December 4, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - December 4, 2016 at 7:03 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Tonus - December 4, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Pat Mustard - December 4, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - December 5, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Pat Mustard - December 4, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 4, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - December 5, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - December 9, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - December 9, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Cyberman - November 29, 2016 at 5:25 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - August 24, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Whateverist - August 24, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by bennyboy - August 25, 2016 at 9:59 pm
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RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by CapnAwesome - September 11, 2016 at 1:51 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Jehanne - September 11, 2016 at 6:06 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - September 23, 2016 at 5:31 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by bennyboy - November 29, 2016 at 8:32 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - November 29, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Cyberman - November 29, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - November 29, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - November 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 29, 2016 at 6:23 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by bennyboy - November 29, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Cyberman - November 29, 2016 at 7:43 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by bennyboy - November 29, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 29, 2016 at 7:58 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - November 29, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 29, 2016 at 8:44 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Edwardo Piet - November 29, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Cyberman - November 29, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Minimalist - November 30, 2016 at 12:19 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Cyberman - November 30, 2016 at 12:30 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by bennyboy - December 1, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 1, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ApeNotKillApe - December 4, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - December 6, 2016 at 4:51 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by RoadRunner79 - December 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ApeNotKillApe - December 6, 2016 at 8:57 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - December 6, 2016 at 9:41 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by ApeNotKillApe - December 6, 2016 at 9:54 pm
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Amarok - December 6, 2016 at 9:57 pm
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RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by Whateverist - December 9, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: "Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm* - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2016 at 1:53 pm



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