Too many points for one post, I propose going over them one at a time.
I don’t like to be called a bigot, especially when my hatred is justified. Especially when you allow bigotry for yourself, then calmly justify it, using your own standards.
You are wrong for the following reasons.
1 I never told you ‘why’ my view of religion and religious people. So how in the world can you claim that my reasons are irrational? Especially when later on you accuse me of ”falsely assuming your religious morality”
2 I most definitely have interacted with religious people. In my childhood I had Christianity inflicted on me, whilst too young to make a rational rejection, well before I had suitable critical skills able to detect the nonsense in it. I have suffered all my life with a sense of being a bad person simply for thinking logically about Christian nonsense. Had I the necessary thinking skills at the time I was forcefed I would have easily rejected it. Were I able to face the people responsible now they would feel the full force of my bitter anger. Wholly justified anger. Or do you still insist that inflicting beliefs on children is justified, even when I now tell you that I personally find what was done to me offensive?
3 Should I re-list the endless evil inflicted on the world by religion? Even though much of it has not interacted with me I am still justified in condemning it and the group of people who espouse it. My bigotry of theist is not based on their beliefs. If I gave that impression, It certainly was not meant. My bigotry is based on their actions. Their nonsense beliefs conjure up scorn and ridicule, not hatred. In the same way I would ridicule ‘flat-earth-ers’.
And your view of, say, the KKK. Would this be as irrational as my view of religion.
I daresay you could find plenty of KKK members who have done nice things. I haven’t interacted with any of them either. (most of the KKK’s dogma is religion based)
My bigotry of the KKK is exactly as you have described above, do you think I am not justified.
tackattack Wrote:"anything I hate, whether justified or not, is bigotry. Reasons are irrelevant?" yes and yes. I'm bigoted about anyone who would rape a child. I've expressed it and I don't think anyone can change it. That makes me a bigot. How rational or justified it is doesn't matter. I obstinately hold to a prejudice or intolerance. Mine, in this case, is based off of someone's actions, not their beliefs. I also feel it is a socially acceptable justified position.This is nasty little trick. My reasons are absolutely concerned with actions not beliefs.
tackattack Wrote:Hating a group of people for their beliefs, however certain members of that group have affected you or whatever your reasons, I feel is not only bigotry, but irrational bigotry. If you're going to hate a group of people, why not make is a group of people you've actually interacted with?
I don’t like to be called a bigot, especially when my hatred is justified. Especially when you allow bigotry for yourself, then calmly justify it, using your own standards.
You are wrong for the following reasons.
1 I never told you ‘why’ my view of religion and religious people. So how in the world can you claim that my reasons are irrational? Especially when later on you accuse me of ”falsely assuming your religious morality”
2 I most definitely have interacted with religious people. In my childhood I had Christianity inflicted on me, whilst too young to make a rational rejection, well before I had suitable critical skills able to detect the nonsense in it. I have suffered all my life with a sense of being a bad person simply for thinking logically about Christian nonsense. Had I the necessary thinking skills at the time I was forcefed I would have easily rejected it. Were I able to face the people responsible now they would feel the full force of my bitter anger. Wholly justified anger. Or do you still insist that inflicting beliefs on children is justified, even when I now tell you that I personally find what was done to me offensive?
3 Should I re-list the endless evil inflicted on the world by religion? Even though much of it has not interacted with me I am still justified in condemning it and the group of people who espouse it. My bigotry of theist is not based on their beliefs. If I gave that impression, It certainly was not meant. My bigotry is based on their actions. Their nonsense beliefs conjure up scorn and ridicule, not hatred. In the same way I would ridicule ‘flat-earth-ers’.
tackattack Wrote:I'm not aware of any group of people I claim to hate, based on their beliefs or ideals. Do I admit I'm a bigot? yes. Is it more rational that yours.. in this case I believe yes.
And your view of, say, the KKK. Would this be as irrational as my view of religion.
I daresay you could find plenty of KKK members who have done nice things. I haven’t interacted with any of them either. (most of the KKK’s dogma is religion based)
My bigotry of the KKK is exactly as you have described above, do you think I am not justified.
