Time to question bioengineering.

[Autumnlicious]

I never said that there weren't other uses, I said that I can't see any other uses.
You are making out like I have implied that there is no use for controlling animals as though that is factual, when I clearly stated "I see", which would actually imply that it is only my opinion. And seen as that was what the person asked for I gave it. I never asserted anything as fact so it was pretty pointless for you to respond to my response to another person.

Wait, what? I think most of us already knew it was your opinion -- I was criticizing your need to state what you "couldn't see uses for", as if that possibly proves anything other than what you don't see. It doesn't need to be asserted as fact to warrant criticism, only asserted. And in the context of "Time to Question Bioengineering", I see little difference between your statement and a random individual posting "their opinion" on using life.

I think you are being incredibly pedantic.

Thank you. One does not suffer fools as often as I do without developing certain... countermeasures. Though I do get too rough to people too often.

Again, I was actually responding to a question of opinion. Whenever someone asks "is it right or wrong" the answer is always going to be a subjective answer.
As it is I don't see any purpose which I could reasonably condone for controlling and manipulating other living beings. I maintain that I did not IMPLY anything. Maybe if you'd have took the time to read what I was responding to you may have understood the context of my post a little better.

While the answer is subjective, the reasoning used can always be criticized. And I have the context of which you posted in. For someone who talks a lot, you like to deny "implying" anything. What nonsense -- what's next, your posts are cannot be read "in between the lines"?

Other living beings are controlled all the time, by others. Like wasps do to caterpillars, barnacles do to crabs, humans to pretty much any animal -- the reasons to control and manipulate other beings are quite obvious and varied. Why do you deny reality?

Understanding neural structures better? And how would we do this by manually controlling another living creature? Other than experimentation.

As for 'real world use' sure there are plenty of reasons. But the fact is would you condone them? I wouldn't. If we found out we could somehow cure cancer by controlling chimps would you do it?

You just stated the reasons, the uses. So much for "being unable to see them". Whether you'd condone it is a matter of another discussion, I do.

If I could cure cancer by controlling chimps, you fucking bet I would do that in a heart beat.

I find it quite telling that you are demanding that I do your research for you, even when I gave you something to start over. I had also stated my limits and how I was not one of those researchers. By your demanding of me to justify hyperspecific parts of neural development, something that I am not an expert in nor will be (but have friends who are), you remind me of a creationist demanding a clear explanation of the genetic and epigenetic changes between humans and chimpanzees and how it relates to evolution.

It can be done, but we both know you're wasting my time. Not to mention, since when is your ignorance my responsibility?

So far, I've taken your arguments to the head. All you've done is fudge around and mumble "well, I think we shouldn't take advantage of other species for our own advancement".

Weak.

The bottom line is, is that it is taking advantage of another species for the advancement of your own. You may accept this as fine, but I personally wouldn't necessarily agree.

We take advantage of another species in power generation by destroying their habitat. We take advantage of other species through our farming, agriculture and animal usage. We take advantage of bacteria in our vaccine development, using selected retroviruses to induce, re-engineer them.

Nearly every little thing that you take for granted in our civilization, is built on with one form or another of "taking advantage of other species", in some step, application or research.

There would have to be seriously good reasons for me to come around to the idea to taking control of other living creatures. So far using them 'for spy purposes' isn't a good enough reason in my view.

Ah. The "I don't want it until I want it" argument. Reminds me of the cognitive dissonance of women going into abortion clinics to get abortions, then telling the doctors how it should be illegal, as if they're the only special case in the universe.

Don't get me wrong though, no doubt shit like this will be done in the future.

And no doubt there will be plenty of people demanding that their arbitrary and titillating views be catered to, even in the areas of research and development.

I'm not impressed.