Slaugherhouse

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I;m simply informing you that it doesn't.  Organic is a designation that refers to agricultural inputs, not the status of the hens living accomodations.  A battery farmed hen on NOP approved feed lays organic eggs.  A battery farmed hen on NOP approved feed where the house doors are open lays organic, free range eggs.

Not saying that whomever you get your eggs from doesn;t run an organic free range operation that would in some way strike you as such...simply that neither label makes that claim in a legally explicit manner, and so cannot be trusted to be so for having the labels.  Producers market themselves as organic and free range for having met legal guidelines, not the consumers expectations thereof.

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Let me put this another way, a hen having "access" to the outdoors is like prisoners having "access" to a walk in the yard.  Try to approach these regs from the POV of a massive middleman like purdue with a team of lawyers mining every line for ambiguity.

Oh, I see your add-on there.

Well yes, i get that doesn't mean they are outdoors most of their lives, but it is still some time outdoors, which is the only label that promises even that.  It's far more human than other living conditions.

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I did, and it doesn't say what you think it does.  I do this for a living - simplify the standards and establish people in alternative ag enterprises.  

Yes, access.  What do you think that means?

Well, at first you were disagreeing that they had access at all (at least it appeared that way to me, I mean, look at that bolded part, you can see why I thought you were arguing that Organic didn't mean access to outdoors) and you only added that last bit on after I made my post. I have addressed your edited post, now.

It means more outdoor time than hens that live in a building their whole lives, it's better than nothing.

I do think the standards should be updated to be less misleading for consumers.  Free-range is the best example. What are consumers supposed to think with that label?  It's essentially a complete lie.

And if the doors are open, and they are not allowed in cages....then how is that not access to the outdoors? I eman, the chicken is not free to go out the doors? I honestly confused here. I get they may still be crowded and have other poor living conditions like massive overcrowding, but I was only addressing the access to outdoors part.