(February 5, 2017 at 10:47 am)chimp3 Wrote:(February 4, 2017 at 6:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I have taken CPR classes both in high school and subsequently at work. It was my understanding from these classes, that CPR was started, because the subjects heart wasn't beating, and external ventilation when they where not breathing. Was this incorrect?Wrong. In terms of CPR . having no heartbeat is called a cardiac arrest. The concept of clinical death is not part of the equation. CPR is a life saving effort not a life restoration effort. "Clinical death" is a concept that those justifying the hallucinatory process called an NDE use to embellish the stories.
This is 2/3 of the criteria for the definition of clinical death. The third is lack of pupillary response. Again it is my understanding that within minutes of the brain not receiving oxygen, that the autonomic nervous systems will cease functioning. This doesn't mean, that they cannot be resussitated, but they are clinically dead, if these three conditions are present.
Hallucinations are common in the healthcare setting. People having surgeries , trauma, etc. often have visual and auditory hallucinations. Delusions are common too. Side effects of medications, metabolic imbalances, hypoxia are the usual explanations. I have cared for many people who see snakes, bugs on the wall, kids making mischief, etc. My own brother-in-law had a long drawn out conversation with me on politics, the Nixon era, and I never visited him. One woman was pointing at the ceiling talking about all the colorful fish swimming up there. I usually look to make sure there are not real snakes or bugs and then just document the symptoms and make sure the MD is aware. There is no reason to believe an NDE is any different.
Ok.... you seem to disagree, with the majority of definitions of clinically dead, that are found online. What is your definition of clinically dead or what is the distinction that I am missing? Wikipedia even goes on to explain, some of the history of why the term was created:
Quote:Stopped blood circulation has historically proven irreversible in most cases. Prior to the invention of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), defibrillation, epinephrine injection, and other treatments in the 20th century, the absence of blood circulation (and vital functions related to blood circulation) was historically considered the official definition of death. With the advent of these strategies, cardiac arrest came to be called clinical death rather than simply death, to reflect the possibility of post-arrest resuscitation.
So while you act like everyone who uses the term in this way are all idiots..... how are you saying the term should be defined, and do you have any support for that definition. I would encourage people to search for the meaning of clinical death here.
