question about the bible

[thebigfudge]

No never. People got it horribly wrong, as people have the ability to do. Jesus spent most of his time telling the religious how wrong they were getting it.

well they got it wrong based on your personal view, I am sure their personal view was quite different. THe church is made up of personal views. thats why you have so many denominations. so many offshoots. all your beliefs are equally as valid. You may not believe that BUT then again they wont believe your right either.

Its quite a convenient argument don't you think "everyone else was wrong, BUUUT I am right" based on the same criteria.

The reformists changed it back to what Jesus actually taught you mean. From the 3rd century Christianity was hijacked by the lust for power and profit. There were literal rivers of blood. What went on was the opposite of Christ like.

Oh yeah that's the first 1500 years of Christianity are invalid as "they got the bible wrong" Jesus didn't actually write the bible. most of the NT was written by paul. Who according to the bible was inspired by God. So surely you have to take the bible in context. When the couple in Acts witheld their tithes they were killed by God. That doesnt seem very faith based to me ?

Again... that's not what Jesus taught or did. We should try to interpret as exactly as we can what the original text says. The oppression of women is a secular moral thing. What you're opposing here are the secular morals of the time, and not Christianity. Christians went along with the societal norm, sure. But what they did against Christ wasn't 'Christian'.

Lol. what about the catholic church, quite a lot of churches that still exist today DONT allow woman pastors based on what scriptures say. Again The bible is made up of numerous authors. under the influence of God. ie Paul,Luke so surely thier letters and books are just as valid as the gospels, infact more so as they are direct instructions and not parables which can have numerous meanings.

Also the societal norm wasn't secular it was religious ( at least in the UK-) its only very recently that we have became secular. Church and state were intertwined.

And the onus is upon you to demonstrate this. So far you've not made a single successful point

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I think my points are all successful. There are numerous denominations. all of which have different ideas. different beliefs etc. so the logic does change It ;changes dramatically. Unless you are saying that different denominations don't exist or that because your belief is slightly different they are all wrong.