question about the bible

[thebigfudge]

Not my view. The view of the mainstream church and teachings on Christianity back to year dot. All mainstream churches believe the same root thing. Small disagreements are acceptable within the core beliefs. I believe all those other denominations are followers of Christ. That's why I can accept their members as mainstream Christians.

well not really. Women pastors not a small thing. How many people going to heaven not a small thing, Wither you require water baptism or not , wither saints exist or not. speaking in tongue's. Do you require physical confession. should you actually painfully punish yourself as repentance and many more
those are all big differenes. I could go to more extreme views. ie JW's etc

Except no one is saying that.

well you said they got it horribly wrong, based on your personal view and nothing more. They believed what they were doing was right.

The reformists changed it back to what Jesus actually taught you mean. From the 3rd century Christianity was hijacked by the lust for power and profit. There were literal rivers of blood. What went on was the opposite of Christ like.

Those years weren't invalid at all. there were some people who got it wrong despite the massive power the church weilded. People protested to death at the anti christian rules of the christians in power.

obviously they were it was you who said that the church went back to their original roots in the reformist movement. How can both a works based AND a faith based religion both be right ? one must logically be wrong

Tell me about the two people.

Acts 5 1-11

As I said above, those are details that we can debate. It doesn't affect the core beliefs, no matter how much you or I might oppose such ideas. Are we following secular morals or doing what God wants? Our opinion happens to reflect the secular norm so we have to be careful there.

They were doing what God wanted as written through Paul. There is nothing secular about that

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Also the societal norm wasn't secular it was religious ( at least in the UK-) its only very recently that we have became secular. Church and state were intertwined.

From 1 Tim 2

I don't think It's as simple as that. The social norm at the time was oppressive to women. The 'religious' state had the same position. Hmm.

Ummm religion was the social norm. secularism did not exist. In fact for most of our history a secular view could get you excommunicated or killed.

Do you still think that?

Of course. denominations are split dramatically on numerous things you may equate these as small. some are. but small things add up. But then you get bigger divides such as the whole catholic/ protestant split. The logic of Christianity has changed throughout time.