(March 29, 2017 at 11:15 am)Astreja Wrote:(March 29, 2017 at 10:49 am)wallym Wrote: But the value of you {MK} riding your bike to school is based on your goals. Because you want to get to school and exercise, biking has value to you. But to me, I have no goals associated with you. So it doesn't matter to me if you get to school or get exercise. So your biking to school has no value to me.
That's the whole problem with MK's theses: He's taking what he considers valuable and declaring that everyone else should also value it.
I don't mind someone suggesting things (for example, biking) that I might or might not enjoy and find valuable. I could always get a bike, give it a try, and assess for myself whether it's love, hate, or *meh* and whether it's worth pursuing further.
In the end, we determine our own values. If we cannot do this, those values will never be ours and from a moral POV we are no better than puppets.
Where MK fails -- and fails hard, time and time again -- is when he combines with his suggestions various insulting assertions to the effect that we're lying, or that we hate his imaginary friend, or some other aspersion on our characters. That is not cool. That is not an appropriate form of discourse. I see it as profoundly disrespectful and arrogant, particularly as many of us came from theistic backgrounds, did give it a try, and now have solid reasons for our non-belief.
We're saying inside a scope, something has objective value. But the value that is objective inside the scope doesn't have objective value outside the scope. It's not especially intuitive, particularly with the word value showing up a few times. Value doesn't have value takes a second to wrap your head around, and that's for people who aren't invested in the idea of value having value.
As for the other stuff, I've never felt patronized or insulted in any of my dealings with MK. Perhaps experiences in your theistic backgrounds/or past experiences with theists have made a lot of you super duper sensitive? That would also explain why every time he posts, a bunch of people seem to trip over eachother rushing to make some shitpost. "TRY TO TELL ME GOD IS REAL!! GET THE FUCK OUT MOM!!! umm... I MEAN MK!" Which is fine, I guess. We all have our shit. But I'm not the person to complain about it too, because from where I'm sitting, it looks a lot more like stuff being projected onto MK than anything he's doing.
