RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
March 29, 2017 at 6:15 pm
When one postulates a perfect God and an "all powerful God" the logic fails compared to what we see, both with the universe and evolution. We are a result of the universe and atoms make up any mass in the universe as well as life, so you cannot separate "fine tuning" between life on earth and the universe.
I mentioned factories as an analogy. Theists cannot escape that they are treating all this as a product, as if life and the universe were a product manufactured by a factory owner.
Problem is, just with the universe, most of it is empty space, and most of the universe is hostile to life, so that alone would seem lots of waste of material just to put all that here for us.
And since we live in this universe, life as well if looked at as a product, like the universe, this too in the context of evolution, also seems to be a lot of waste.
I used the millions of sperm to one egg analogy, and even most female eggs go to period and do nothing. Imagine how quickly a car company would go out of business if the owner suddenly decided to use 1 ton of sheet metal to make one car. Humans who believe in any type of cosmic factory product maker, fail to take into account, both with the universe, and life on earth, efficiency and output vs material going in. Successful factories in real life maximize efficiency and waste as little material as possible in the input output process.
If they still want to claim a God, it cannot be called perfect and 100% input to 100% output with no error . Otherwise it cannot be called perfect or all powerful. If you still want to call it that, then this factory boss is merely using us for it's amusement like we are lab rats or toys. I cannot buy the idea of being the product or property of a super hero. It is a vile concept to me to think of myself as having no input other than responding to bribes or grovel to the threats of the factory boss.
I mentioned factories as an analogy. Theists cannot escape that they are treating all this as a product, as if life and the universe were a product manufactured by a factory owner.
Problem is, just with the universe, most of it is empty space, and most of the universe is hostile to life, so that alone would seem lots of waste of material just to put all that here for us.
And since we live in this universe, life as well if looked at as a product, like the universe, this too in the context of evolution, also seems to be a lot of waste.
I used the millions of sperm to one egg analogy, and even most female eggs go to period and do nothing. Imagine how quickly a car company would go out of business if the owner suddenly decided to use 1 ton of sheet metal to make one car. Humans who believe in any type of cosmic factory product maker, fail to take into account, both with the universe, and life on earth, efficiency and output vs material going in. Successful factories in real life maximize efficiency and waste as little material as possible in the input output process.
If they still want to claim a God, it cannot be called perfect and 100% input to 100% output with no error . Otherwise it cannot be called perfect or all powerful. If you still want to call it that, then this factory boss is merely using us for it's amusement like we are lab rats or toys. I cannot buy the idea of being the product or property of a super hero. It is a vile concept to me to think of myself as having no input other than responding to bribes or grovel to the threats of the factory boss.
