RE: What does God deserve?
July 11, 2011 at 7:05 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2011 at 7:33 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
GC Wrote:To forget is to forgive. In the name of benevolence and kindness, who or what sets the standard for these, if there is no true standard then they are just concepts and if they are concepts then their definitions only depend on each individual. Maybe that's why there is a lack of integrity in the world today, no one wants an absolute standard to anything, it's like do what feels right to you and screw everything/body else. Today, it's do not apply your standard to me, I have the one that works best for me, you do as you desire and I'll do as I desire and to hell with the rest of the world. That is a lousy way for people to think and live but they do and yes I'll include some christians in that. Without a true standard this is the world we have and it will get much worse.
Hell, this is the best post you have made to me since..ever. I agree that to forget is also in a sense to forgive, but forgiveness doesnt require forgetting. I also agree that there is very little, if any, universal standard for such things. I will say that benevolence is goodwill, charity, and kindness. Sure, morals are merely personal opinions, which is why I said that I BELEIVE in benevolence. My personal opinion is that benevolence benefits society. Benevolence doesnt use "grey words" like "good". Charity can be measured. Personally, I think your standard of morality is heavily weighed down in myths and , quite frankly, bullshit.
Its one thing to say "Jesus cured the sick". To me I would be like; "Hey, Jesus is an alright guy". Then I read the book and it says he cured the sick using spit. An obvious lie.
Quote:Almost sounds like you agree with the Bible except you have no standard for benevolence. I agree with what you state except I would leave out in the name of benevolence.
hmmm..maybe I was laying it on thick. Perhaps I should have said "kindness for the sake of kindness"
My biggest thing now is greed vs. charity.. both can be physically measured and their effects are notable
(July 11, 2011 at 3:35 am)thebigfudge Wrote: That however is not very likely to happen, But the emphasis is on YOU( person making the claim) To prove it. Until then please keep the condescension to a minimum.
Regards.
The Big Fudge
umm..is that smiley face avatar drawn with doo doo?
(July 11, 2011 at 1:24 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(July 11, 2011 at 10:52 am)Godschild Wrote: From a deist point of view what is the standard for benevolence?
I don't understand your question. Can you rephrase?
I turn the question back around to GC, what is YOUR standard for benevolence? Jesus? The man who cured people not for the sake of kindness, but to get people to worship him? Who insisted that his folowers abandon their family? Who performs a few miracle healings and then ties strings to his acts of kindess that everyone should worship him or he will toss them into eternal flaming torture?
That isnt benevolence. That would be the same thing as a Christian offering me help to fix my flat tire, but only if I say that I love Jesus. That isnt charity. Charity has no strings attached. Jesus tied CABLES to his charity work, and loaded them down with bricks of guilt and shame upon those who truly needed it. The story of Jesus flat out SUCKS as a standard for charity.
Its the same as forgiveness. Forgiveness has no strings attached to it and it is given as a gift.
If your god and Jesus actually want to forgive people, then they would do it with no strings attached. But they dont do they? They add on a list of demands one must meet to gain this forgiveness, and they arent pety. Devoting your entire life to these gods, living your life the way they want you to, etc..etc... and what you are supposed to be forgiven for is quite ludicrous considering that fact that said gods supposedly created everything.
I see no charity or forgivness in the bible... I see a man who cuts you, talks down to you because you are bleeding, and then demands that you worship him and devote your entire life to him in order for him to give you a bandaid.
