RE: God and Big Bang
April 10, 2017 at 4:17 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2017 at 4:18 pm by Alex K.)
(April 10, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:In an expanding universe filled with nothing but dilute hydrogen gas?(April 10, 2017 at 12:05 pm)Alex K Wrote: If one of the quark masses were not much larger, protons would decay and there would only be hydrogen gas. You can't tell me that would be an equally valid but different backdrop for some form of intelligence.
Well give it 14 billion years and anything is possible.
Quote:The bottom line is, I think, that you can't argue if life, as we know it, depends sensitively on the parameters of our universe.I don't agree entirely... I don't think that by far every set of conditions enables something deserving of that name, and varying the parameters of our universe as we understand them today only slightly can yield some very structureless universes in which there are neither stars, nor chemistry..
Quote:But it certainly doesn't stop William Lane Craig and many other theist authors to argue that this is indeed like that and it is therefore evidence for god.Of course... William Lane Craig is a lying sack of shit, nothing stops him from selling his crap...
Quote:Biology of life are still big misery to science.I wouldn't go so far...
Quote:Sure we know a lot about life on Earth and how it developed but all life on Earth is essentially the same; chemically we're identical to bacteria or begonias. It's as though you said to a physicist: "You're going to study gravity now, but you can't go out of this room, and you can't look at anything that has a gravitational influence except what's within this room. Here are two big lead spheres. Measure how much they attract each other and try to devise a general theory." Well, that's very difficult.If you give the physicist a super great Mössbauer crystal and a laser on top of that, getting general relativity is actually feasible because she can discover gravitational time dilation and from that conclude curvature of spacetime. Ok, if she's really really smart

Quote:I think Evolution by Natural selection alone is such an immensely general law that it kind of compensates for that. What you are getting at though is Abiogenesis, and that one is a tough one to decide how exactly it went to for sure.
Certainly Isaac Newton did it not make his fundamental discoveries by being in a laboratory, but by looking at the motion of Moon and the moons of Jupiter and so on, and things on the earth as well. By making those connections he was able to make a general law of gravitation. Well, the biologists have mighty few general laws, and that's because they have mighty few cases - like one.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition