RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
April 10, 2017 at 8:25 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2017 at 9:14 pm by bennyboy.)
(April 10, 2017 at 7:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Sadam sees power as valuable to him. Question is power really something valuable to him.Yes. He values it, so it is valuable to him. That's what valuable means.
What you seem to mean is whether it's really good for him, ultimately. That's a philosophical sinkhole, but I'd argue yes, for Saddam, power was good, in that it was an expression of his humanity.
Quote:You see what I'm saying, we can falsely value things and we can values things that should be valued, and we can fall short of valuing things as they are meant to be valued or over value things that are not meant to be valued to that degree.I don't believe there's false or true value, unless something is not what it appears to be when you value it. If I value water in the desert, and it turns out to be a mirage, it's of no value to me.
Quote:Also, when you assign values things relative to you, don't you have to believe you have inherent value?Nope. I want water, and I'm motivated to get it. I value it. Instinct is sufficient, and is mostly independent of my views about my self-- unless I am trying to die or something.
Quote:Can just believe we are of value without belief in inherent value in ourselves? Can we believe we should value ourselves without belief in inherent value as a property of who we are?Value isn't a belief system. It's a statement of the weight of importance you put on things. This ranges from how much I value a certain food over other choices when I'm shopping, to how I think human beings should live. Obviously, most people put a lot of importance on themselves, and that's pretty natural.
