RE: What are the Characteristics of a NT Christian?
April 14, 2017 at 2:26 pm
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2017 at 2:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 14, 2017 at 2:04 pm)SteveII Wrote:I don't think that either have the weight of evidence on their side, but as far as quality of work and pedigree the muslims had that one pegged out from the start. They had the benefit of having witnessed the christian shitshow....and learning from christian orthodoxy's mistakes. It;'s a mistake to ask me what those people believed, as you continuously attempt to alter your failed criteria. They believed in the proto islamic kernel. The same as early christians. There was disagreement, as there was with early christians (though decidedly less so in the case of muslims, as mentioned, islamic orthodoxy was more proactive with regard to schism and heterodoxy), and so they exist to fulfill the second point of the criteria you offered for justification. As the houses of worship that they huddle together under exist to satisfy the first, and the magic book they prostrate themselves over being the sacred texts that exist..satisfying the third and final. Taking a persons word for something is hardly an issue that a christian can quibble with a muslim over. Asking what evidence for what event, again..either as suspect or as strong as you'd like it to be, but it would be applied to both narratives. I know which one you believe in, I know which one you believe has "better evidence", but I don't care about that, and I;m not a muslim...so there;s no need to waste time convincing me that their bullshit is bullshit...I already know that, lol.(April 14, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Khemikal Wrote: There are mosques, people who believe, and "witness testimony" of events that..while still tenuous in my opinion, are orders of magnitude better in quality than those possess by the NT.
What did those people believe? Not events, they took one person's word for something. What witness testimony of what event? You couldn't possibly believe the evidence for Islam is better than the NT.
I'm just trying to get you to follow through in the rationalization. It's easy. You don't have to agree with islam. You don't have to believe in it, or believe that there is evidence for it. You simply need to acknowledge that if a muslim perceives themselves to be in the position you perceive yourself to be, than the three examples you put forward grant them an equally rational justification for their belief.
Quote:More than one narrative that tells a slightly different version is exactly what you want. Identical stories would be suspect.So..damned if they do, damned if they don't....... unless it's christianity, in which case, goddidit if they did, and if they didn't, lol? If inconsistency is preferable, however, why did you also list internal consistency as a valued metric? To hell with a consistent reading of the NT or the quran..I'd just like to get a consistent reading from you.......
Quote:To compare apples to apples, what things did Jesus say that were "borrowed" from another source that didn't quite get the historical consensus right on closer inspection?What things did jesus say?
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