(May 1, 2017 at 12:36 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There may well be an 'origin of all things'. I think it's probable that if there is, it will turn out to be natural causes, like everything else so far, and not a person, let alone a deity.
If nature is all that exists, I have no problem with this idea. Leaving aside the usual baggage that most associate with the supernatural, I'm not even sure what supernatural means, other than that it's been used interchangeably with "mysterious" which only means "beyond our current understanding". Scientists have theorized about higher dimensions beyond the third. Sometimes going as high as eleven. I wouldn't have the faintest idea what the difference, if any, would be between a higher dimension and a supernatural realm. If those are also considered nature, then there's no discernible difference and it just becomes a game of words.
Quote:I recommend you add something to your definition to distinguish it from quantum foam or string theory hypotheses about the origin of the cosmos. Unless you're cool with worshipping an impersonal natural phenomenon, but I guarantee that quantum foam is not reaching out to give you the good feels.
I'm not concerned with supplying an emotionally gratifying description of God in the definition. The definition I supplied is the only thing I believe to be incontrovertible. (And I don't think I chose to find it incontrovertible). If I add anything to it, I'm just decorating it with description for my own purpose. I don't know anything about quantum foam or string theory, so I don't feel a need to distinguish it from those concepts. They may be one and the same thing, but unless it's some sort of proven fact that these concepts represent the actual origin of all things (I would think it isn't) then the belief is already distinguished from the theories. I don't require them to necessarily be describing two different things.
