America's obsession with guns

[Brian37]

I'll at least give you that. Yea, nobody needs to be walking down the street with an open AR-15 and nobody really needs one in any case. I do think far too many people confuse wants with needs. You need a car, you want a Lamborghini. You need food, you want Beluga caviar. 

But again, what makes you think open or not, that every time you introduce a gun into a conflict where the person you are confronting has one too, that the outcome will always have you winning? Because why? Your intent? Reality doesn't give one fuck about your intent. In real life using a firearm under stressful conflict requires constant training. Your intent does not equal training.

If someone walks up  behind you and sticks a gun in your back, the odds of you pulling your gun out and hitting them before they pull the trigger, is pretty damned slim. If you are smart odds are you give them what they want and you walk away alive. The only way to be prepared in a gunfight, is to know ahead of time WITH stress training, what you are getting into. It isn't enough to simply mentally masturbate with "In this case, I would do this".

Your mentality is dangerous TO YOU. You are confusing your own good intent while ignoring the training it takes to use a firearm properly. 

Even outside the issue of guns. I have seen this bullshit testosterone mentality even with mere fist fights. "If you called my mother a whore, I'd beat the shit out of you"...... I've seen lots of people claim "I know what I am doing" and play street lawyer and say what they would do, then end up in trouble.

I am sure you have good intent and think you know what you are doing. But, just like god belief, I think you are merely giving yourself a false sense of comfort. With guns, there is no room for error and it only takes one mistake to end up hurting yourself or others even unintentionally.  Target shooting is not the same as stress shooting. Stress use of a firearm is constant training not a one time class.

You don't know anything about my training or skills or how I behave.

I avoid sketchy looking places. I don't look for trouble, on the contrary I avoid it.

The gun is the last ditch effort to protect myself or family. You don't and won't agree with that and I'm ok with it. You keep preaching long sermons about guns and really I just skip over it like it's a broken record because that's what it sounds like.

You are right, I dont. But my bet is on not much. Most non police and non military get trained with target shooting and even concealed permits for non jobs are not long term constant training. My guess is unless you are a long term cop or long term military, your training amounts to a certification periodically which is not the same as living it every day as if you had a job which required you to use a firearm.

"last ditch effort". Unless you live near Isis, I am not sure where you live that you cant figure out more non lethal ways of defending your home. NOW again, for home protection, if its that bad where you live, I can be more understanding. But again, that you cannot, even with that need, delude yourself into thinking your mere intent represents the same outcome every time you pull your weapon. 

Lets say you are out with your family with your concealed weapon. Someone pulls a gun on you and a family member, you reach for your gun, but before you can fire back, they hit your loved one. If you think accidents never happen with good intent, again, you are fooling yourself. 

Someone who already has a firearm aimed at you already has the drop on you. If you do anything while owning a firearm, which I am AGAIN not calling for an all out ban, at least FOR YOU think about those odds. 

It isn't even that you own one, but your attitude. Guns are not forgiving and you cannot think like a Hollywood movie where every case of use ends up with the good guy winning.

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You don't know anything about my training or skills or how I behave.

I avoid sketchy looking places. I don't look for trouble, on the contrary I avoid it.

The gun is the last ditch effort to protect myself or family. You don't and won't agree with that and I'm ok with it. You keep preaching long sermons about guns and really I just skip over it like it's a broken record because that's what it sounds like.

You are right, I dont. But my bet is on not much. Most non police and non military get trained with target shooting and even concealed permits for non jobs are not long term constant training. My guess is unless you are a long term cop or long term military, your training amounts to a certification periodically which is not the same as living it every day as if you had a job which required you to use a firearm.

"last ditch effort". Unless you live near Isis, I am not sure where you live that you cant figure out more non lethal ways of defending your home. NOW again, for home protection, if its that bad where you live, I can be more understanding. But again, that you cannot, even with that need, delude yourself into thinking your mere intent represents the same outcome every time you pull your weapon. 

Lets say you are out with your family with your concealed weapon. Someone pulls a gun on you and a family member, you reach for your gun, but before you can fire back, they hit your loved one. If you think accidents never happen with good intent, again, you are fooling yourself. 

Someone who already has a firearm aimed at you already has the drop on you. If you do anything while owning a firearm, which I am AGAIN not calling for an all out ban, at least FOR YOU think about those odds. 

It isn't even that you own one, but your attitude. Guns are not forgiving and you cannot think like a Hollywood movie where every case of use ends up with the good guy winning.