Can prayer change God's perfect plan?

[Aroura]

First, you still have not answered this simple yes or no question though you act as if you have. I'll try and phrase it differently. If god has seen you chose option a, is it ever at any point possible for you to chose option b? Yes or no.

I already answered it. You just won't accept my response.

The problem is, and I don't want to say it's a loaded question because I know you're not doing that on purpose, but the question is asked as though I'm claiming that God would be foreseeing the future. Which I already explained isn't how I believe it works.

As to your pizza analogy, this in no way demonstrates that you have freely chosen anything. If a rock is balanced atop a hill, and it seems to an observer that it might roll down either the north or south slope, when it finally rolls down the north slope, did it chose that of its own free will? Or did forces too small too see or too difficult to measure by eye alone cause it to go north?

Now, demonstrate to me that you posses more free will than that rock, and didn't eat cheese pizza because of a similar set of hard to identify at first glance causes, like hating pepperoni, menstruating, having recently eaten spicy food and desiring bland, having a sore butt from a recent hard poop, the chemicals in the water you recently drank making salty food less appealing, etc etc etc.

You presuppose that your free will exists and so think it is obvious in your example, but it simply isn't.  You cannot actually demonstrate it's existence at all! Except through feelings and personal experiences of course, and I'm sure by now you know that does not count as evidence.

No one can demonstrate free will, so far. If you can, get ready for your Nobel prize in physics!

Regardless of whether I'm constipated or not, I'm still choosing to eat cheese by my own will to do so. I could just as easily choose the pepperoni and deal with the consequences. But it seems we're on 2 different ships. That example was merely to explain how God can know our future actions without having controlled them/taken away our free will. I wasn't arguing free will in and of itself. That's whole other rabbit hole.

(EDITED for clarity)

I think this is really odd that you think that coming up with the idea that God is outside time and space (which has not been divinely revealed to anyone as far as I know) somehow fixes all of this.  If there is free-will, is it not possible that there are many outcomes to each possible choice? Maybe god sees time more like a branching tree than like the linear first this then this line that you imagine.  This would actually fit more with the idea of Free-will.  

Theists say humans cannot know the mind of God, then proceed to explain how they totally know the mind of God.  /facepalm

Of course there is no evidence for either of these things (free-will or God), you essentially have to assert things that you cannot know as fact (ie God exists outside time and space).  This really does remind me of arguing about comic book characters, so I'm bowing out.  

There is no point in continuing this argument, since you are using fiction, and your own personal fiction not even one taught from a common source such as the bible, to make your argument, the goalposts can always be moved.  This isn't a topic about which you are willing to think about alternatives, because you already know the answer, and that answer is important to how you view the world.  A core belief.

Core beliefs are the most difficult to actually examine.  Sometimes I forget that presenting facts against them can actually strengthen them.  And you know, I don't know why I argue to shake them in other people.  I cannot honestly say I'm "happier" after having the courage to look at mine and change it all.  Quite the opposite.  So I'm done arguing any religious points with people for 2 main reasons.
a) it rarely changes people
b) even though I think magical thinking is causing massive global problems, I don't know that most people actually CAN handle the truth. I can barely handle it all myself.  Is it better to face reality?  Yes, I think it is, even if it makes people less "happy".  Maybe after our population is massively reduced by water and food shortages, disease and war and natural disasters from climate Change, the people of the future will need to face it all, and be able to.  IDK, and nothing I can do about it anyway. (that's like 6 reasons crammed into 1)

Anyway, that all probably sounds condescending, and I don't mean it to be.  I was just thinking that my mom still believes in God and Free will, and I never get into talks like this with her. If she brings anything like this topic up, I mostly just listen. She's over 70 now, and recently had a stroke.  I was in the hospital with her, and saw the love letter from God that the Chaplain gave her.  She won't be around forever, and these things comfort her in her fear and grief.  If I can restrain myself from arguing these things with me mom, why should I treat anyone else differently? If it makes people happy, and they do not care to research it and examine it on your own, who am I to try and enlighten perfect strangers?  It's not my business, so I'm done here.