Subjective Morals and Societal Whims

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But we human beings consider morality vital to our being.

Do we? Personally I generally act in a way that is acceptable to the group I'm with and that changes according to the group I'm with. With some people I swear like a trooper and other people think I never swear at all.

So if in nature all the bad stuff that happens is just a product of nature, including bad religion and bad faiths, then can any of it really be considered wrong even if it is contradictory with other world-views, religions or faiths since it is all naturally induced? That would be my question. When someone is a contradiction I have to reject that world-view.

well that's one of the reasons I reject religions. I am morally superior to all the religions I know. I am more tolerant of other sexualities and practices. I do not try to oppress others and impose my own standards on them which is one of the hall marks of the religiously minded.

For example, a societal whim in some cultures considers pedophilia acceptable even necessary to preserve the population. Who is to say even though an atheist may claim he rejects pedophilia now would not be justified in his mind to condone it after a significant time has passed even though he may not commit it? Whereas a non-subjective objective law transcends and would never allow pedophilia under any circumstances.

Interesting that you should pick on paedophila, as that is one thing that the bible does not seem to be specifically against and indeed actively promotes it in several passages, Mohammed of islam seems fond of the young ones as well.

This is why I believe in objective morals and not subjective relativism based on societal whims. Where then can we find objective morals since atheism doesn't provide it for us?

Curious what you think?

I think that the more a society moves away from religion the more moral it becomes. Look at countries that are totally religious such as Saudi Arabia, Islamic state and even parts of the USA that are overly religious and you'll see what I mean.