RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 2:18 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2017 at 3:17 am by Fake Messiah.)
(May 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Lek Wrote: None of the spiritual beings in christianity are considered gods other than the trinity, which is three divine persons in one God.Hey, go tell it to the majority of Christians in the world who pray more to the Mary and the saints then Jesus/god not to mention build Churches to them. They obviously have godly superpowers. Even basilica in Rome is devoted to a what you would define "non-god".
Here's a clip in which priest in Vatican explains how Jesus/god is only sixth on the praying list for Catholics
(May 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Lek Wrote: I notice that you failed to address the old testament quotes that I presented supporting the idea of the trinity long before the ancient Greek and Roman societies.
Well only if you ignore what I wrote like you do. So I'll add some to that which is that it is impossible to cling to Jesus quotes since he contradicts himself. He did say, like you mentioned, equated G-d with himself but you ignore the parts when I pointed out that he said he was different then the JHWH. I mean how could this be true when he repeatedly said he was not God's equal? In John 14:28 Jesus said, "My Father is greater than I"; in John 20:17 he said, "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God"; and in John 7:16 he said, "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." Clearly, in every instance Jesus is denying that he is God's equal. Why would anyone who is God's equal say that the Father is greater than himself and that he recognized the Father as his god?
Or should we decide for ourselves which one is truth and which one is made-up?
And also trying to find references to Jesus in OT is nothing but wishful thinking on part of Christians. Because the son of man is often referred to in the most uncomplimentary fashion. For instance, Psalms 146:3 states, "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man in whom there is no help." Job 25:6 says, "How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm." Notice it refers to the son of man as a worm. One would have less difficulty applying these verses to Jesus than many of the verses that have been deemed forecasters of his presence.
But the truth is there is no prophecy in the OT foretelling the coming of Jesus Christ. There is not one word in the OT referring to him in any way- not one word. The only way to prove this is to take your Bible, and wherever you find these words: "That it might be fulfilled" and "which was spoken" turn to the OT and find what was written, and you will see that it had not the slightest possible reference to the thing recounted in the NT - not the slightest.
(May 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Lek Wrote: It seems that if anybody copied ideas, it was the Greeks and Romans.
Well that is some far-fetched claim considering that trinity was never mentioned in the Bible. They must have been truly skillful theologians, seeing trinity before Jesus. No wonder Pope has the title Pontifex Maximus like the grand pagan priest, when they were already Catholics.
(May 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Lek Wrote: I believe in Christ because of the personal revelation that God has given me.
Yeah that's the "beauty" of religion when all rationality fails you can always run to "Ah, I just feel it's the truth".
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
