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Consciousness Quadlemma!
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RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(May 26, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Ben Davis Wrote: Nope. There's more depth than you think. 'I am therefore I am' explies that the facts of my existence are the evidence for my existence. More than a tautology based on the Law of Identity, it's the ultimate expression of material rationalism. Let's go from there Tongue

Eh? Are you making fun of my philosophy-babble or are you being serious? I honestly can't tell! Tongue
Both Big Grin
Fun: I'm playing with one of the most resolutely held existential philosophical positions by suggesting it's a deepity whilst simultaneously making puns.
Serious: It's not just as I described it, it's also an epistemological statement. How do we best identify that which is true? By identifying the facts. How am 'I' best defined? By identifying the facts.

Quote:How can "I am therefore I am" make sense? If "I am" is true then there is no "therefore" necessary Tongue
Fun: It doesn't have to make sense, it only has to be true Big Grin
Serious: The first 'I am' is the statement of factual evidence whereas the second is the claim of existence. As two different parts of the proposition, they're independent and one is predicated on the other, hence 'therefore' xx

Quote:You say that the facts of your existence are the evidence of your existence...

..but what does that even mean, lol?

Facts about your existence are empirical truths about your existence... so wouldn't that mean specific evidence of the details of your existence rather than the evidence of your existence itself? Isn't your own existence self-evident to yourself via your own conscious access and self-evident to others when they perceive you provided that they presume #1 You exist as something external to themselves #2 They are not hallucinating you?
No. Self-evidence cannot be assumed or else you have a circular argument. Instead the factual evidence regarding the claim of my existence and identity as an individual must be assessed to ascertain that I both exist and have an identity. Like all material rationalist positions, it cuts the crap and gets straight to the point.

Quote:By the way I hope I'm not being a douche in this post.
Not at all, just what the doctor ordered Big Grin

Quote:Although it is, on occasion, an effective strategy within my favorite game of all time:



Lol, nice
Sum ergo sum
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Messages In This Thread
Consciousness Quadlemma! - by ignoramus - May 25, 2017 at 12:08 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 25, 2017 at 12:36 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 25, 2017 at 12:54 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by ignoramus - May 25, 2017 at 1:23 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 25, 2017 at 2:56 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Alex K - May 25, 2017 at 8:54 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Whateverist - May 26, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 25, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 25, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 25, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Alex K - May 25, 2017 at 8:53 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Alex K - May 25, 2017 at 9:06 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Ben Davis - May 25, 2017 at 9:50 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Edwardo Piet - May 25, 2017 at 4:13 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Edwardo Piet - May 25, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 25, 2017 at 9:19 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 25, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 25, 2017 at 11:12 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Silver - May 25, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 25, 2017 at 11:25 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 26, 2017 at 12:09 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by ignoramus - May 26, 2017 at 12:24 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 26, 2017 at 12:29 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by ignoramus - May 26, 2017 at 12:39 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 26, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Ben Davis - May 26, 2017 at 5:56 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Edwardo Piet - May 26, 2017 at 7:04 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Ben Davis - May 26, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Edwardo Piet - May 26, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Ben Davis - May 26, 2017 at 8:15 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Edwardo Piet - May 27, 2017 at 8:39 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by ignoramus - May 26, 2017 at 12:43 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by The Valkyrie - May 26, 2017 at 12:52 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 26, 2017 at 7:26 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Edwardo Piet - May 26, 2017 at 7:30 am
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 26, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma! - by Mystical - May 27, 2017 at 1:31 am

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