RE: The Hiroshima shadows.
June 3, 2017 at 2:30 am
(This post was last modified: June 3, 2017 at 2:41 am by Anomalocaris.)
(June 3, 2017 at 2:16 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Japan was nuked partly as a demonstration to Russia that the US had nukes and would use them. It was a dick swinging thing to do just before Russian troops would have been used against Japan.
http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/cou/jap...j-sdw.html
A dick swinging thing would be to show your dick is big for your own satisfaction. When there is convincing reasons for believing your dick swinging would actually intimidate another who would otherwise do things that would highly inconvenience you, it is not dick swinging. It is effective diplomacy.
(June 3, 2017 at 2:17 am)Tizheruk Wrote: accept Japan didn't start the war they were pressured into it
(June 2, 2017 at 10:19 pm)Fireball Wrote: The consensus is that this cost fewer lives than a land based invasion of Japan. Hate and shame all you want. That shit happened over 70 years ago. Go bring some of your fellow believers into the present, and have them leave their Semtex at home, while you are at it. If you are a True Muslim™ you might think about approaching your radicalized fellow believers and educating a few of them so that they can live in a civilized society.
Actually those statistics have been seriously challenged. And it's been argued that statistically German would take more men . And thou nuking Berlin had been considered it was considered to awful to do . So I don't buy number of men argument . The real reason was to intimidate Russia and a general feeling that "Japan Deserved it". And even then they could have gone with one of the earlier suggestions proposed and launched it on an inhabited Island off the coast .
Japan might have been "pressured" into attack Pearl Harbor, but she chose to launch an extremely bloody purely aggressive war in china. It was the the fact that the US sanctioned Japan for this war that "pressured" japan to launch the war against the west. The alternative would have been for the US to continues to facilitate the Japanese aggressive war in china since Japanese economy relied on trade with the US for vital oil and other raw material needed to wage that war.
So to say Japan was pressured into attacking the US is a little like saying the US ought to keep feeding the alligator in the hope of being eaten last, rather than risk pressuring the alligator by stop feeding the alligator.
The theory that the US might not have bombed Berlin is idiotic. The US didn't finish building the first bomb until 2 months after Berlin was taken. Considering the US bombed Dresden into smithereens and killed at least as many people there as in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and clearly to intimidate the Russians, it seems rather unconvincing to say the US would not have nuked Berlin had the bomb been available, if it is judged doing so would do more to intimidate the Russians than to antogonize other Europeans.
