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And Certainly Not The Fucking Garden of Eden!
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RE: And Certainly Not The Fucking Garden of Eden!
I have to go find a passage for you in Carrier's book, V.  You'll love it.

BRB.

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Quote:Epiphanius then says a curious thing: these Christians say Jesus had
lived and died in the time of Alexander Jannaeus. This is what he says they
preach:

I. See Epiphanius, Panarion 29.
2. I n Epiphanius and Acts the word is identical: the Nazoraioi (Acts 24.5), which
in English corresponds to 'Nazorian'. by analogy with Athlnaioi, 'Athenian' (see
discussion in Chapter 10, §3).

282 On the Historicity of Jesus


The priesthood in the holy church is [actually] David's throne and kingly
seat, for the Lord joined together and gave to his holy church both the
kingly and the high-priestly dignity, transferring to it the never-failing
throne of David. For David's throne endured in line of succession until
the time of Christ himself, rulers from Judah not fai ling until he came 'to
whom the things kept in reserve belonged, and he was the expectation of
the nations'. With the advent of the Christ the rulers in line of succession
from Judah, reigning until the time of the Christ himself, ceased. For the
line fell away and stopped from the time when he was born in Bethlehem
of Judea under Alexander, who was of priestly and royal race. From
Alexander onward this office ceased-from the days of Alexander and
Salina, who is also called Alexandra, to the days of Herod the king and
Augustus the Roman emperor.3

The Babylonian Talmud not only confirms this, but its Jewish authors
appear to have known no other form of Christianity. This means the Jews
east of the Roman Empire (where this Talmud was compiled, assembled
from the third to fifth centuries) were reacting to this Nazarian Christianity.
As one passage declares, 'when King Jannaeus was kill ing our rabbis,
R. Jesus ben Periah and Jesus [the Nazarene] escaped to Alexandria.
Egypt; and when peace was restored', they returned (echoes here of Matthew's
nativity account, in this case told of Jesus rather than his parents).
and this Jesus, who is explicitly identified as 'Jesus the Nazarene', was
condemned for immorality, sorcery and worshiping idols, and eventual ly
executed because he 'practiced magic and led Israel astray'.4


The quoted passage from Epiphanius is in Italics.  So not only crucified twice but over 100 years apart as Alexander Jannaeus ruled early in the first century BC.

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