RE: Hemant Mehta
June 15, 2017 at 9:10 am
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2017 at 10:00 am by Little Rik.)
(June 15, 2017 at 2:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: Also, does intent count? For example, if I kicked dogs because I felt that they were clearly devolved human beings justly punished by the weight of their karmic debt to be, in this life, a dog.....?
I mean, whose to say I'm not part of karmas grand plan of pain? There's gotta be some provision in there, because otherwise I feel as though a good person can find themselves being kicked -as- a dog, for the karmic crime of kicking dogs who were most likely pedos or whatever in some previous life. Those people have to be punished, I mean, do you really want to live in a universe where the bad guys get away with it?
It's all so very confusing. Are there graphs?
It is of course very confusing because you refuse to pay attention to what I said.
You ask question after question without even care to understand the first simple answer.
You already made up your mind that karma and reincarnation is all bull so no wonder that
you don't get it.
As the person can not enter a house that is locked up also the message can not enter a mind
that is not interested in understanding.
You really shouldn't worry whether a dog previously was a pedo or an animal with less consciousness
than the dog that you try to kick.
You do not know so it is wise not to take any risk and even if that dog was a human that did horrible things you have no right to punish him.
You are not the one who is in charge for the karma law nor a judge nor you have been given the authorization to dispense punishments therefore if you take any decision that affect anybody else (dog or not dog) then you attract karma unless you kick it because your safety is in danger.
In this case no karma apply.

(June 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm)emjay Wrote:(June 14, 2017 at 8:06 am)Little Rik Wrote: Easy Em.
I already explained this point several times.
Is a pity that you miss it.
Never mind.
I will go through this topic once again.
Plants and animals are driven by instinct.
Whatever they do they never build any karma.
Mother nature drive them to do and to behave in a certain way.
There is no such a thing as a bad dog or a bad animal.
It is like your little little kids.
If they brake a glass you have no right to hit them but as soon as they grow up and after they develop
some consciousness they become more and more responsible for what they do and the karma law apply to them in the good or in the bad.
Humans have enough consciousness to distinguish between the right and the wrong so they are responsible for their actions.
Got it now?
Well, I'm sorry I missed it... but I can only read you in small doses
So non-human animals get an auto-upgrade, is that it? Is that straight to human, or is there a linear progression/hierarchy of animals that they have to go up through? Ie what is a 'worse' animal to reincarnate into and what is a 'better' one? Nature is a pretty brutal business all round but arguably some animals have it easier than others in terms of suffering, depending on where they are in the food chain etc.
As I just explained to Kem we do not know whether an animal was a human in the previous life (DEVOLUTION) or a different animal with less consciousness.
Only the entity that administer the karma law is aware of that.
We shouldn't really worry about that.
As far as the evolution of the consciousness goes the matter evolve into vegetation, into animals, into humans and back in the mind of the cosmic thinker once the cycle is completed.
The problems for humans arise as they leave the animal stage and turn into humans.
Below the stage of human karma does not apply but for human it does because in human most of the instinct leave place for free will and therefore decision making are not driven by instinct (mother nature) anymore.
Remember also that the old saying apply.......NO BRAIN NO PAIN..... so for an animal to be killed and eaten is not as painful as for us human which nervous system is a lot more complex.
When we breathe we kill millions of tiny germs that are in the air.
When we eat we also kill because the food contain live things.
When you walk in the street we kill tiny creature that are in the ground or footpath.
There is no way that we can avoid killing but there is a way to avoid doing more damage than we should
like eating low low consciousness form of lives such as in a vegetarian or vegan diet.
In this case the karma is almost nil if apply at all.

Quote:In other words, how does 'reincarnation allocation' work going downwards (devolving) relative to someone's bad karma in death? Is it based on the amount of suffering an animal would supposedly endure in life (ie quality of life) or is related to the animal's supposed degree of consciousness/intelligence
Could be both or could only be related to the level of consciousness.
Obviously a human that turn into an animal because of his-her bad karma lose his-her consciousness
to the level of the animal that is going to be reincarnated in.
At the same time such an animal could well be punished a lot further according to his-her bad karma or simply stay in animal form or plant form or stuck in the matter for ages and ages.
Take some of the people who engaged in mass killing like Stalin, Pol Pot or other.
They may well be reincarnated into animals for thousand of times or be turn into matter as well.
Only the one who administer the karma law knows.
