Hemant Mehta

[Little Rik]

As I just explained to Kem we do not know whether an animal was a human in the previous life (DEVOLUTION) or a different animal with less consciousness.
Only the entity that administer the karma law is aware of that.
We shouldn't really worry about that.
As far as the evolution of the consciousness goes the matter evolve into vegetation, into animals, into humans and back in the mind of the cosmic thinker once the cycle is completed.
The problems for humans arise as they leave the animal stage and turn into humans.
Below the stage of human karma does not apply but for human it does because in human most of the instinct leave place for free will and therefore decision making are not driven by instinct (mother nature) anymore.

Remember also that the old saying apply.......NO BRAIN NO PAIN..... so for an animal to be killed and eaten is not as painful as for us human which nervous system is a lot more complex.
When we breathe we kill millions of tiny germs that are in the air.
When we eat we also kill because the food contain live things.
When you walk in the street we kill tiny creature that are in the ground or footpath.
There is no way that we can avoid killing but there is a way to avoid doing more damage than we should
like eating low low consciousness form of lives such as in a vegetarian or vegan diet.
In this case the karma is almost nil if apply at all.  




Could be both or could only be related to the level of consciousness.
Obviously a human that turn into an animal because of his-her bad karma lose his-her consciousness
to the level of the animal that is going to be reincarnated in.
At the same time such an animal could well be punished a lot further according to his-her bad karma or simply stay in animal form or plant form or stuck in the matter for ages and ages.
Take some of the people who engaged in mass killing like Stalin, Pol Pot or other.
They may well be reincarnated into animals for thousand of times or be turn into matter as well.
Only the one who administer the karma law knows.  

Thanks for your answers but I see two major problems with the whole idea:

1) It seems to me this 'system' breaks down when animals are considered... that at the level of humans, with their karma, it's fairly well defined, but where 'devolution' to animals and 'evolution' from animals is concerned, it becomes decidedly vague and arbitrary, down to the arbitrary decisions of this 'cosmic thinker' who one can imagine, as you describe it, as keeping a ledger on every person, recording their punishment arbitrarily in the form of x lifetimes as say, a worm... or any variation on that. In other words there appears no systematic means for 'non-karmic' consciousness to 'evolve', only the arbitrary decisions of the cosmic thinker. So is that how you see Karma? As essentially no different from the Christian god doling out arbitrary punishment... ie not a systematic cycle of some kind... which is the impression I'd got of what you meant when reading you in the past... but rather an arbitrary judgement?

1) A Christian God has got the hell as punishment and that is hate which it doesn't make any sense.
There are two things that God can not do.
One is that He-She (God has no sex) can not hate because hate means that there are imperfections in God creation so considering that God is perfect is impossible that He create imperfections therefore hell is not possible.
Yoga on the other hand is all for rehabilitation and at the end all the problems will be solved.

2) Now let us talk about your idea that karma is a punishment.
Not true Em.
Suppose that you are a teacher and one or some of your students fail.
What would you do?
Would you punish them?
No, you would not but you rather would fail them so they will repeat the year.
If these students are not ready to go higher in their studies it is obvious that they can not pass and go
higher.
Their consciousness and intellect is not ready to go higher so the only logic thing to do is to repeat and wait for an other opportunity to go higher.
At the same time if humans are not good enough to be humans they should be lower to the level of animals, plants or matter waiting for future opportunity do become humans once again and do right this time.  

Of course to be lower down is felt as a punishment but it really isn't.
It is like a jigsaw puzzle.
There are many pieces and there are many puzzles.
The rule is that every piece must go in the correct puzzle as every creature must be located in the correct place whether is in a human body, animal, plant or matter.

2) More importantly, once punishment has been administered and a being begins his 'sentence' as it were... x lifetimes as a given animal or whatever arbitrary variation on that the 'cosmic thinker' has decided upon, the resulting animal lives lack the conscious faculties to understand why they're being punished. Ie a punishment is only any good if the person being punished knows why they're being punished... but there's no way a worm for instance could understand what human transgressions it was being punished for, and thus surely it renders the punishment moot?

It doesn't work like that Em.
There is no such a thing as punishment but as I just explain above is all about putting a particular consciousness in a medium that most fit it in order to perform better.
If a human behave like a dog then a dog body is most suited to his-her ability to perform and when that dog will be sick and tired of being a dog then he-she will develop the intuition to go higher and reach once again the human consciousness.
If however some people like killing other people they may be reincarnated as carnivorous animals and when these animals will be sick of killing then they may be reincarnated in something else that doesn't required killing.
It is all about what people wish to do in life.
If they do bad and are turned into lower form of lives then they wouldn't know why they are in an animal body since their consciousness has been lowered.
Why should they remember?
They have chosen that change.
The feeling to go higher once again will help them to change for the better.  

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It is of course very confusing because you refuse to pay attention to what I said.

I think you might have that completely backwards, lol, but hey....nbd.

You ask question after question without even care to understand the first simple answer.
You already made up your mind that karma and reincarnation is all bull so no wonder that
you don't get it.
As the person can not enter a house that is locked up also the message can not enter a mind
that is not interested in understanding.
You really shouldn't worry whether a dog previously was a pedo or an animal with less consciousness
than the dog that you try to kick.
You do not know so it is wise not to take any risk and even if that dog was a human that did horrible things you have no right to punish him.

Well, ofc -I- have no rights in Rikistan, but ostensibly this "entity" of karma you're talking about does or could use me as a tool...which is the focus of the question I asked?  I'm just wondering how it all pans out in that scenario?  Is there, like, an SS defense for karma.  "I was only following mein karmic fuhrers entity orders!"...or will that karmic entity be all like  "hahahah noob trolled you hard! Bam...syphilis!"

You are not the one who is in charge for the karma law nor a judge nor you have been given the authorization to dispense punishments therefore if you take any decision that affect anybody else (dog or not dog) then you attract karma unless you kick it because your safety is in danger.
In this case no karma apply.  

Right, but that's precisely the problem.  What happens to those individuals who kick dogs as part of karmas grand karmic justice plan to punish those pedos placed in a dog body?  

Also, about that, it doesn't seem like much of a punishment to be a dog.  Unless, I mean, you're a human consciousness trapped in a dogs body or something (but even then).  I don't think that we'd have missed it if the latter where the case, if there were people inside our dogs.  What's the word on that?

1) There can not be people inside a dog.
If a human being has been lowered to the level of a dog due to the karma law then there is no more human being but a dog.

2) No human being can be in charge to act as a karmic avenger.
If that would be the case then free will wouldn't apply any more but because it apply is obvious that no human being can cover the role of an avenger.