(June 20, 2017 at 8:46 am)Khemikal Wrote:(June 20, 2017 at 2:02 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: People are people; humans.Not really descriptive of the ottoman empire. They didn't have any of those good structured values, or a better society, or a better country. They had a massive imperial state supported in labor and administratively by a slave caste drawn from european conquest. The actual history of the ottoman empire, apart from your ideas of a glory age..was so shitty, so repressive, so stagnant, that the modern descendants of those people broke entirely with that history.
Having a good structured values in the head, would allow for better societies, and even better countries.
The Ottomans weren't perfect, let alone their values being a mixture of Sufia Islam -which is quite Sunna-, Turkish local customs which was pretty close to Arabian harsh customs and some right pieces here and there from the Quran.
It was a fact that they enslaved people, tortured their enemies and went on conquests on an imperialistic scale; but they didn't massacre Christians in Constantinople like Crusaders did in Jerusalem, they had a very active market that involved all nationalities and religions. Even if I was an atheist in that time, I would pick them over Cont Dracula in Europe.
The Hadith -in my humble perspective- brought their empire down. The crimes of the Pashas were influenced by twisted, racist decaying customs, that found haven in the Hadith books. If they followed the Quran purely; they wouldn't have constructed Harems, took European boys to form the Jenesarie, and wouldn't push forward their disgusting Turkish nationality over people who aren't even Turks.
But it's an empire; what did it do outside the definition of an empire?
In terms of religion; I think they didn't or weren't following the Quran alone anyways.
Quote:Quote:All the Qurans out there are the same since a very, very long time.Some are plain, like my bible, and others are beautifully decorated. I prefer the gold leaf and calligraphy to pictures of jesus with a dinosaur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham...manuscript
The words are what matters after all; not pictures.
Quote:Quote:If the Quran and the Hadith were mixed together; then we have the same scenario of the Bible.We have the same scenario of the bible with just the koran. An obvious work of fiction taken by a great many to be both divine and incapable of being mistaken.
It's independent though; from Saudi Arabia to Israel.
No; while you have whole chapters and books attributed to "Saint Paul" and others.
So you can literally say: "Paul narrated Jesus:....."
And there you go; a Christian Hadith.
Quote:Quote:It's not at all; actually it differs a lot from Judaism; unless you used the Hadith.Oh stop, you simpleton, lol. If you want to throw around nutter shit about this or that sect being a perversion of this or that faith, it doesn't do you or islam any service to bury your head in the sand over it's own pedigree, and it's own perversions.
Simpleton!!! that's a new word. Just translated it
I'm not burying my head; but declare my own innocence from such ideas.
In other words; my personal constitution is written in 600 pages; it's called the Quran. A Shiite burning a Sunni here; or a Sunni blowing a Church there; or a Christian throwing napalm at Muslims; is none of my responsibility. My constitution explicitly criminalize these people and their faiths..The impales of the Ottomans are counted with the crimes; too.
Quote:Quote:For example; stoning people for sex.Nothing you can tell a girl with two black eyes that she hasn't already been told twice.
Judaism allow it.
The Islamic Hadith allows it
The Quran doesn't even mention such penalty
Gotta remind; though. It's the truth
Quote:Quote:Racism against black people in Arabia dates back to days before Mohammed himself; more than...1400 years?Okay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarah_ibn_Shaddad
https://muftah.org/the-children-of-antar...Ui5ueuGPIU
Arabs picked up on this poet for being black
Quote:Quote:You have a point..Hehe, same here. OFC, it's considered "classy" to speak in full english sentences as well, but I digress.
French is taught a lot there; and considered "Classy" to speak in some french words.
No no; French is honestly a very romantic language when it's spoken by girls.
Take the word "Pa'afa"=Perfume
Quote:[/quote]Quote:He's talented ! dopeYou sure they didn't go nuts over his talent? Plenty of white rappers who didn't make it. How bout LIL D, they all about LIL D...or is he too jewish? : snickers :
Many don't even understand what he says; guys from Palistine and Jordan were lighter in skin so they would wear stuff like bandanas, and give you the "AAAh ya zalamee; slim sheedy"..
IT'S SHADY. NOT "SHEEDY". But you can't correct, or it's the OP allover then.
vorlon13
Huh?? White penis is red; not white !
mh.brewer
Cricket?