A Question From Atheists

[The Grand Nudger]

You are not trying to engage in the discussion..you are trying to avoid it. 

As I mentioned in my previous post, this is as far as the capabilities of my mind in the use of language and logic allows me to communicate and I genuinely feel there is a language barrier that prevents us to reach further than this on this topic. I'm sorry if you are frustrated or feel that I'm evading or whatever. This was not my intention at any point during the discussion. Thanks for sharing your insights. I consider our argument a constructive one, at least for myself. Despite the fact that arguments between a theist and atheist usually end-up being destructive. I have no more arguments to add to what I've already said. 

I appreciate everyone's answer so far.

There's no language -barrier-..other people have managed to communicate these disparate ideas about gods to me.  I can accurately identify, for example..pantheism when it's expressed.  You simply refuse to agree to precise terms and so we can never get past the assertion.

I can even deduce pantheism when it's -poorly- expressed.  I knew, for example, that your god wasn't just "the universe" long before you ever got around to acknowledging that to either me, or, yourself..at least in this thread.

I'm glad you found it constructive. I intended for it to be, though I'm routinely acerbic in how I express myself. I actually enjoy the subject of gods, it's why I came here. Imagine me with a smile on my face and a beer in my hands no matter what it is I say, it'll go a long way. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to talk about gods, and to express my uncommon position (among atheists) that no gods exist.