RE: Non-existing objects
June 26, 2017 at 6:03 am
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2017 at 6:56 am by KerimF.)
(June 25, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(June 25, 2017 at 4:17 pm)KerimF Wrote: You are right.
It happens I am not good in any language. English is my 3rd language after French and Arabic.
But I also met people who even worship certain words and sentences known as being inspired by their god.
By the way, I used focusing on ideas instead of words. A word could be interpreted in many ways (even if it is written on a so-called 'holy' book) while an idea is either understood/perceived or not.
Ideas and words, neither mean shit to science in the context of scientific method if they are not accurate and distinct.
The world IS interpreted best by scientific method, not fake philosophy, not naked assertions, not woo. That is not advocating the end of religion or even opinions. It merely means if you want to know what evidence and knowledge are there is only one universal way to determine that.
Anything outside scientific method is a like, an opinion. Until something is repeatedly tested and falsified and repeatedly independently peer reviewed, and confirmed by that independent peer review, those claims remain as they should, as mere opinion.
The good thing about scientific method, for the entire world, is that it is not intended to care about personal bias.
I liked your clear statement: "there is only one universal way to determine that".
It sounds like a counterpart of what I used hearing from formal theists when they say: "There is only God's Word to determine what is good for humanity".
I mean; one hears in both expressions the notion of Absolute that all human beings should know and follow.
In my case, my life would have no meaning at all (to me of course) if I have to follow blindly any rules/methods, said of God or Men.
I personally know (using my methods

I also know that I am not better than any other man and no man on earth (in the past or present time) can know what is good for me better than I do.
This is why you won't see me telling you (or anyone else) what is good/bad for you or prove you that you may be wrong about anything.
So, while I understand the various reactions of each member here and even agree they are right (relative to the nature of the member's being), I don't expect a follower (of Religion and/or Science) is pleased to meet a free independent person who, automatically, would look to him as being a non-believer of his Absolute that was presented in details by some God's and/or Science's Elite.
By the way, I encourage your way of thinking by which the world can be served better.
But it happens that serving the continuity of life in the world (in its war/peace cycles) is not among the priorities in my life; after all, millions (billions lately) in the world (and since always) are doing it very well.
(June 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(June 25, 2017 at 2:05 pm)KerimF Wrote: By just accepting there is a Creator, it doesn't reflect any useful information in one's life.
In my case and when I was teen (many decades ago), I felt the need to discover the real image of the Will/Power (God if you like) which forced me to exist in the time/space realm for a certain period of time and on certain places (actually on a planet we call Earth) in a huge universe.
But I also noticed that most people, I had the chance to know or live with, didn't have such a need. They are atheists or followers of a religion which they are used to or brings them services/benefits they are looking for and are not provided by other systems.
So I am just passing by and I will be around here as long I am allowed to (I am just a guest here after all).
So I have no intention to convince anyone about anything. I know in advance that every one is right the way he sees things. In fact, I didn't meet yet a mature sane person who thinks that any of his beliefs (or disbeliefs) is wrong.
Why are you here? You've made a thread, which means that you presumably have a point to make. What's your point?
Sorry, is it my fault that someone doesn't have enough time to read all my posts?
Or should I repeat myself anytime I am addressing a different member?
By the way, I answered twice already about the reason I joined this forum. If you are serious, you certainly can find it by yourself.
(June 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(June 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Why are you here? You've made a thread, which means that you presumably have a point to make. What's your point?
His point is the same as any Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or even si fi woo'er
"I have a claim I find is neat but wont admit I have no evidence other than I like it, and other people might agree with me".
I'll make anyone a deal, anyone of any religion or even generic "spirit/entity/" claim. If anyone of any stripe can get a patent and win a Nobel prize in "poof" theory, be it Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Star Trek or Star Wars, .......Anyone. if you can make global news to the point nobody can dispute it, like the moon landing or computers, I will be more than happy to shut the fuck up.
Otherwise my position is that the point of the other is that they have an opinion.
Well said Brian...
And I personally like your opinion about the path(s) which you believe is good for you.
But while I suppose that my opinions are good for me in the first place (this is why I had to discover them personally), you tend to insist that yours have to be good for the entire human race as well. I wonder if you will get get and agree on this opinion

(June 25, 2017 at 8:33 pm)Astonished Wrote: Is it going a step too far to just call people like that liars?
Please be free to call me whatever makes you feel better or happy.
But please try not to say anything in your name, as I do. Otherwise, there are always people who will be pleased to treat you the way you do to me here.
By the way, you remind me what girls used telling me when I was much younger. They said something like: "You are a nice clever boy but you are rather boring. You are sincere always and you have no secret to hide. You also respect us rather too much. So, after we leave you, we feel we were losing our time while being with you."
They were totally right. Fortunately, there were non-sincere boys too with whom they had pleasant adventures, for a certain period of time in the least.