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Is atheism self-contradictory ?
RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
(June 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -and you got that immediately, pages and pages and pages ago.

Evolutionary procesess selectively favor reliable brains.

I already responded to the claim in bold. Also, you cannot say for yourself that you have a super powerful and reliable brain inside your head unless an exterior being says that to you. Nobody can claim he has a good voice unless someone else hears him and confirms it. We can't say for ourselves that our brains are reliable since we have no idea what unreliable brains are like.

(June 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Our minds are reliable -regardless- of whether or not they are the work of a conscious.  Regardless of the existence of a "consciousness" our brains are the reliable product of evolutionary pressure.   There -is- no need to summon any supernatural creator.  

How can a product of an unconscious natural process be reliable ? How can unconsciousness generate minds capable of proving objective truths ? How can a product have abilities superior to its designer - which is evolutionary processes in this case - ?

(June 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Who cares, it obviously can produce a reliable mind

This is far from obvious, you need to demonstrate this claim to back up your theory about human minds reliability.

(June 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Your premises are demonstrably false, and your conclusion simply a restatement of those premises.  That you refuse to acknowledge that those premises have already been shown to be demonstrabnly false, however, is an indicator of how reliable -your- brain is.  Did the perfect being do that to you, or his guidance?

How can the first premise be false according to you ? My brain is CLEARLY not the work of a consciousness because it is a product of continous alterations of the genome, this process is NOT conscious. The second premise is still somehow debatable, but I'm still waiting to hear a reasonable objection instead of just asserting that everything I say is false without clarifying why.
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