(July 6, 2017 at 9:19 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote:(July 6, 2017 at 8:37 am)SteveII Wrote: 1. I disagree. If that were that were true, then many more people would be convinced of atheism and it would be growing instead of stagnant. The atheist never had or has overcome the built in sense that the supernatural exists.
2. Delusional? If it is built in sense that most people have, it isn't delusional because nothing external deluded them. The belief would be 'properly basic' and therefore rational to hold. This does not mean the belief is correct, but it does mean it is not delusional.
3. You should revisit the definition of Argumentum ad populum or reread that sentence. I stated a fact "most people have no trouble in believing the supernatural" and then another fact "Christianity is the most evidenced and philosophically sound choice"--all within the context of a post that was explaining why we are seeing another fact: "it is the most freely chosen religion to convert to".
You really need to read up on "special pleading". I am clearly discussing/comparing bodies of evidence and don't come close to the definition.
1. I disagree. If that were that were true, then many more people would be convinced of atheism and it would be growing instead of stagnant. The atheist never had or has overcome the built in sense that the supernatural exists.
I've never had a theist actually deliver on the claims of evidence being real. And the paucity of evidence for a claim, clearly does not correspond to a sudden loss of a belief in the claim. See: astrology, magic, crystal healing, homeopathy, etc, etc,
You really need to read up on "special pleading". I am clearly discussing/comparing bodies of evidence and don't come close to the definition.
Special pleading: argument in which the speaker deliberately ignores aspects that are unfavorable to their point of view.
So when you reject one religion (like Islam) for not having convincing evidence, but don't reject your own for the exact same reason, it is special pleading.
What you have accused me of is...well I don't know exactly. You claim that I have engaged in special pleading for pointing out basic facts about the NT and the paucity of contemporary records/accounts of the Jesus character from the NT. It isn't special pleading to point out the flaws of a position, its inherent weaknesses, and its dearth of evidence.
Sorry. I thought we were having a discussion. Like what often happens, this discussion does not seem to be able to move from vague generalities to a detailed discussion. In my experience here, that usually means I got through the inch in the mile wide, inch deep knowledge of the other person. I certainly may be wrong, but that is my experience here.