Scarface

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, crime actually DOES pay often enough, lest no one would be committing such crimes.

Moral of the story IMO, is actually: 
Don't get high off your own supply!

And, maybe "Live by the sword, die by the sword"....if I were inclined to get preachy about it.

No sorry, that is Trump talk to me, "It is only illegal if you get caught". 

The character is a bad guy period. Doing the right thing is doing it even when nobody is watching.

In real life helping non violent users I get. But really? Don't tell me you would want to live in a neighborhood in real life, rich middle or  poor, where you had sickos shooting people in the streets or in mansions like a civil war.

Nope, Tony dies in the end so I don't see how that paid off. 

Yes it is just a movie, so I get the sarcasm in your post. But no, sorry I don't see even the character as a good guy. A great bad guy as a character, but not a good guy as a character.

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What a contemptible lie that's always been.  Of course crime pays.  It pays short term, long term, creates profitable economic opportunities for the criminal's associates, spurs financial activity, has measurable 'ripple' effects into non-criminal areas, and gives cops something to do.  Granted, it's a high risk occupation (usually), but the risk is almost always commensurate with the reward.

In fact, it's hard to think of anything that pays more than crime.

Boru

No, not in the context of this movie plot.

Stealing a loaf of  bread to feed your family when you have no food is far more understandable than being a greedy fuck. Tony was not only a criminal but also a greedy fuck. You must have missed the mother character who rejected his blood money RIGHTFULLY.

Crime works yes just like deception in evolution works. Yes you can see a video of a crock and a lion in Africa fighting over calf. But in the context of empathy might does not make right and in that context no, Tony only was a success short term but that success did not make him moral or compassionate. 

i like the movie too, but I only see him as a bad guy, just like I see the real El Chopo. It is just as stupid to elevate Tony as a moral hero as it would be to do so for Satan/Lucifer. 

The character is just that, and I love a great bad guy, but no, in the context of that plot, saying crime pays, misses the context of the long term damage of social stability. Otherwise Maddof is a hero too.

Ok, please point out where I said or implied that Tony was: a) moral, b) compassionate,  or c) a hero.  I pretty adept when it comes to telling the bad guys from the good guys, both in films and in real life.  I don't need you to lecture me about this, tyvm, especially since I never said anything positive about Tony Montana in the first place. 

What I said was (and I'll say it again, since both your reading comprehension and your habit of addressing points that no one made seem up to their usual standards) is that crime pays.  And it does - it pays handsomely.  This isn't a moral judgement or an opinion, and isn't subject to rational debate.  Criminals get paid for the work they do, and all the off-target moralizing you can't muster won't alter the fact.

Maybe YOU missed the scenes of Tony Montana's insanely opulent home, his luxury and sports cars, his gang of hangers-on, and his not inconsiderable armoury.   Guess what, sunshine?  All of this was paid for by crime.  And this isn't just limited to films - it happens in the real world, and is as hard to deny as a fist in the face.

If you respond to this, please try to stay on point.  I'm not talking about Tony's moral fibre (non-existent), his character (reprehensible), or whether it is right or wrong to make your fortune as the head of a drug cartel (it's wrong).  But 'Crime does not pay'?  Grow up.

Boru