(July 9, 2017 at 4:49 am)Dropship Wrote:(July 8, 2017 at 9:09 am)Brian37 Wrote: ...An ethical scientist WILL NOT try to mix religion into their lab.
Ah, but religionists will say that Jesus's 37 miracles were science, or more specifically a "Superscience" that we know nothing about, and that to refuse to analyse them and push the bounds of scientific knowledge is therefore unethical in itself.
PS- JC also said we could do the same sort of "miracles" too, so the subject clearly has hidden depths..
(July 8, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Of course what the christards leave out is that as Dr Anthony Flew grew old he grew senile, and had the misfortune to fall in with a bunch of very manipulative and immoral christards who decided that it was better for them to make up Dr Flew's mind than the man himself.
If you read any of his later writings or talks which touched upon his "conversion" to theism, you'll see none of the lucidity or intelligence which permeated his earlier scientific work, and find a lot of the common points you'll see in bargain basement badly argued apologetics by the kind of christards that are now dictating his words.
Thanks, but it's not just Flew who says God can be "seen" in the maths, it's other scientists too, so we're caught in the middle not knowing whether to believe them or not.
For example here are a couple more quotes-
"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature."-Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16.
"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?"- George Greenstein (astronomer),1988. The Symbiotic Universe. New York: William Morrow, p.27
(July 8, 2017 at 2:58 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I'm no math dummy but I may be a total dummy where gods are concerned. I've seen a little math but I've never seen a trace of god - either in the math or any where else. On the other hand, I've found the phrase "In God we trust" engraved on money - and I do believe in money. If your faith had been faltering maybe that will help you make it to the finish line. But give up on the math, there is no God there.
Which brings us back to the old dilemma of whether we should believe scientists who say stuff like this-
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."- Galileo
"We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it.."- Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician),Gannes, S. October 13, 1986. Fortune. p. 57
"If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God."-Lord Kelvin (British scientist)
"We would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists"- Carl Sagan
"I cannot be sure that God does not exist"- Richard Dawkins
PS- Are my posts displaying alright? They seem to be running into other and it's hard to tell where one ends and another begins, plus the quote function further complicates the issue.
(July 8, 2017 at 3:58 pm)Succubus Wrote: No, there isn’t.
Thanks, so when scientists hint they can see God in the mathematical layout of the universe, are they wrong?
Probably.
"If we go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, suggesting 69.
-
- Your mum, last night, suggesting 69.
-