(July 12, 2017 at 11:08 am)Jesster Wrote:(July 12, 2017 at 3:44 am)Godscreated Wrote: I do not see this as a category or a label, what I'm asking is this, according to the Bible can a person be a Christian without knowing Christ. This is more like a partial book analysis, just looking for an opinion on what the scriptures say about being a Christian. There will be no judgement from me on this I'm curious about what you believe the bible says on this point.
GC
Again, you're fishing for an answer from me where there is none. How can I believe in the knowledge of a god if I don't believe in the god? The bible doesn't mean anything to me at this point. I don't keep one handy and I'm not about to go fishing one out now either. It's a waste of time for me because I don't believe in any of it. It's a far better use of my time while dealing with religious people to talk to them about what they believe. I have no beliefs here, so why don't you tell me yours instead so we can actually accomplish something?
This is the best I can give you here, GC. This isn't about judgement to me. It's about following a line of logic.
Okay, I want ask anymore, but I was honestly curious.
Now I do not believe a person can be a Christian and not know Christ. I use the word know in it's real sense. Belief in something is a knowledge of something, even if it is very limited knowledge. This is a must as I read the scriptures, Paul told us that we could know God and live in a relationship with Him. Now to know God and live in a relationship with Him has to mean one understands somethings about God to be true and His existence would be the first thing. So it baffles me as to how people can say they were former Christians, I can't understand how someone can know God and then say they do not believe in His existence.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.