(July 14, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Astonished Wrote:(July 14, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I love the whole but if we define god as uncaused or eternal or outside of time yada yada yada make believe .As if any of that escapes the problem. Hell I have even meet theists will to admit special pleading but say it does not count because god. Or even worst try and pull the ontological argument . As if just proposing a necessary as possible helps despite all beings we know of are not necessary.
And then you ask them to prove why it's necessary, that's always fun. Or by what mechanism god's own existence gets to be exempted from the infinite regress. They can't give a description. It's all fucking woo-woo magic which explains NOTHING.
And, that's the point; why bother with God when the the Schrodinger equation clearly implies that the Universe is eternal, both beginningless and endless? The Schrodinger equation, unlike God, can be written down, tested, observed, found to agree with observation and experiment, and leads to the prediction of new observations and experiments. "God" is ill-defined, untestable and leads to no predictions of any kind. The whole concept is woo-woo:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woo-woo
