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The need to believe?
RE: The need to believe?
(July 15, 2017 at 5:37 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I think some of the problems I have always had with organized religion is how it affects so few people in a positive way. I've known Christian men and women who are married for example who cheat on their spouses and pretend like they're single around others and then taut how important their faith is. Lol Everyone makes mistakes etc but if you live your life as if your faith really isn't relevant to your behavior, why are you clinging to the theist label? It's just stuff like that that's always irked me about many "believers."

Kind of like the lady in Kentucky was it who refused to give a marriage license to a gay couple but she herself was divorced a few times over? Lol what is faith really doing for that woman besides providing her with a scapegoat for her bigotry?

The problem with both organized religions AND personal beliefs, is that while organized religion, EVERY RELIGION in human history, has more political power when organized, the masses who confuse that success are really no better than the unsuccessful or less powerful minorities, or "non religious". 

There is no utopia so I do think those who believe in a higher power, but don't like organized religion tend to be less dogmatic and more empathetic, it really is no different than hard core fiction vs soft core fiction. Religion worldwide is a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy, even local national diplomacy considering every umbrella label has competing sub sects that vie for the same power. 

But even with atheists, we don't all agree and we are also subject to the same divisions and diversity and individual flaws as religious people. Our species sophisticated language does not change that our evolutionary drive stems from prior life. Other life are more monogamous others more loose and individualistic. Humans as individuals seem to be both as individuals. "Cheating" is far too often thought of a male thing, but the reality is it is pretty evenly split between women and men. 

Instead of playing into the theist argument  of magic needed to glue a partnership together, the truth is honesty is the key, consent is the key, and communication is the key, not the sex itself. What makes "cheating" wrong isn't the sex, but the lying, the omission.
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The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 8, 2017 at 8:02 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 8, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 8, 2017 at 9:08 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 8, 2017 at 10:19 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Silver - July 8, 2017 at 11:17 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by ignoramus - July 9, 2017 at 12:49 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 1:29 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 2:30 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 8:02 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Angrboda - July 9, 2017 at 8:17 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Silver - July 9, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 10:55 am
RE: The need to believe? - by chimp3 - July 9, 2017 at 8:30 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Little Rik - July 9, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 9, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Silver - July 9, 2017 at 10:23 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 9, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 9, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 9:45 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 9, 2017 at 11:21 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 9, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 9, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 9, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 10, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 1:07 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 9, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 9, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 9, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 9, 2017 at 10:16 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 10, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - July 10, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - July 10, 2017 at 3:11 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 11, 2017 at 12:22 am
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 3:56 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 4:23 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 4:41 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:47 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 10, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 10, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 4:59 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 10, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 17, 2017 at 8:28 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 10, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 9:27 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 10:56 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 11:06 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 11:20 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 11, 2017 at 10:23 am
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 11, 2017 at 10:48 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 13, 2017 at 12:47 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Jackalope - July 13, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 11, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 11, 2017 at 9:44 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 11, 2017 at 9:50 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 11:24 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2017 at 10:47 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 11:16 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - July 11, 2017 at 6:12 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 11, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2017 at 11:22 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 11, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 7:54 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 11, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 9:30 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 12, 2017 at 12:50 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2017 at 3:21 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 13, 2017 at 6:02 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 13, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2017 at 3:50 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 13, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 13, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 13, 2017 at 9:18 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 14, 2017 at 2:12 am
RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 13, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 14, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 14, 2017 at 10:27 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 14, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 11:24 am
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Der/die AtheistIn - July 14, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 14, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 14, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 14, 2017 at 4:57 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 14, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 2:52 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by ignoramus - July 15, 2017 at 3:13 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 12:06 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by RedgraveStorm - July 15, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 1:34 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by RedgraveStorm - July 15, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 15, 2017 at 4:00 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 15, 2017 at 5:50 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 15, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 16, 2017 at 2:52 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2017 at 3:04 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 17, 2017 at 5:21 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 17, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by ignoramus - July 17, 2017 at 7:52 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2017 at 8:12 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2017 at 9:45 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 18, 2017 at 5:39 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 19, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2017 at 1:34 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 19, 2017 at 2:11 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 20, 2017 at 9:16 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 22, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 22, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 22, 2017 at 3:02 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 29, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 30, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 31, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - August 1, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Silver - July 29, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 29, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 29, 2017 at 5:41 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 29, 2017 at 7:37 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 7:54 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 29, 2017 at 9:23 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 30, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 30, 2017 at 4:23 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Silver - July 29, 2017 at 7:55 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 30, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 31, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Silver - July 31, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 31, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 31, 2017 at 5:59 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2017 at 12:22 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Fireball - August 2, 2017 at 1:02 am
RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - August 2, 2017 at 4:11 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - August 2, 2017 at 5:32 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - August 2, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: The need to believe? - by Dropship - August 4, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: The need to believe? - by Harry Nevis - August 4, 2017 at 9:13 am

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