(July 15, 2017 at 7:19 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:(July 15, 2017 at 5:58 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The problem with both organized religions AND personal beliefs, is that while organized religion, EVERY RELIGION in human history, has more political power when organized, the masses who confuse that success are really no better than the unsuccessful or less powerful minorities, or "non religious".
There is no utopia so I do think those who believe in a higher power, but don't like organized religion tend to be less dogmatic and more empathetic, it really is no different than hard core fiction vs soft core fiction. Religion worldwide is a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy, even local national diplomacy considering every umbrella label has competing sub sects that vie for the same power.
But even with atheists, we don't all agree and we are also subject to the same divisions and diversity and individual flaws as religious people. Our species sophisticated language does not change that our evolutionary drive stems from prior life. Other life are more monogamous others more loose and individualistic. Humans as individuals seem to be both as individuals. "Cheating" is far too often thought of a male thing, but the reality is it is pretty evenly split between women and men.
Instead of playing into the theist argument of magic needed to glue a partnership together, the truth is honesty is the key, consent is the key, and communication is the key, not the sex itself. What makes "cheating" wrong isn't the sex, but the lying, the omission.
I agree but the difference between many theists and many atheists is that atheists own their issues while theists with the same issues blame evil in the world for their mistakes or choices. As if there is another force opposite to god causing them to do wrong. If only they prayed more etc they wouldn't succomb to temptation. The human condition is flawed and that's ok...it's a natural thing to be perfectly imperfect. Only we can fix our mistakes and many theists simply don't see it that way. So it take so away personal responsibility when you believe that something outside of yourself is responsible for why you behave the way you do. (Good or bad)
Well the human condition is just the human condition. I don't see how being atheist or theist changes that. I don't see it as flawed, just as a savannah brained primate that's been successful in population terms and trying to deal with the fact we have a few cc more brains than the rest of our comrades in the animal kingdom.
It ain't too sexy, but it's the hand we've been dealt.