(July 19, 2017 at 3:21 pm)mordant Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 2:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Mordant quote- "We have different reasons for not believing (for example) that Jesus was god...1-The divinity of Christ is a primary credal litmus test for Christian orthodoxy. It is one of the central defining characteristics of the belief system. I was addressing that. Of course it's made up, but I'm addressing the actual prevailing beliefs, which can hardly be chalked up to a minority of "cack-brained fundies".
.....he doesn't denounce slavery or affirm women as something more than chattel...
....At the end of the day Jesus is a product of his times, leading from behind...
1-Good for you mate, only cack-brained fundies think JC was God, despite him saying he wasn't.-
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
2- Jesus didn't have a bucket list of things to denounce, for examp he never said a word about GLBT's, not a single word..Smile
3- I wouldn't think being crucified is "leading from behind"
2-That was exactly my point. If you're going to speak out against immorality, intolerance, etc., you should have a bucket list and certain things should be on it. Otherwise you're not offering humankind of 2K years ago, anything enlightening. Much less humanity today.
3-My point was about moral (non)leadership. Are you suggesting that we should all get crucified too? I don't think the crucifixion (assuming Jesus was a real person and he was in fact actually crucified) is any sort of example or moral statement, that's a whole separate topic. If all you can do to explain away Jesus' deafening silence on certain topics that he supposedly had unique authority and creds to speak to, by deflecting to some other allegedly noble thing he did, then it doesn't speak well for the strength of your argument.
If you admit that it is made up then doesn't matter if you think some are "Crack brained fundies". I agree it is made up so why should anyone follow an old book of mythology?
