RE: Am I nuts? I like Jesus..:)
July 22, 2017 at 6:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2017 at 6:52 pm by Dropship.)
drfuzzy quote- If your imaginary friend exists and isn't utterly and completely impotent and incompetent, then have it show up and say "hi". A creature that supposedly created billions of galaxies should be able to do that
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God is not a "person", rather he's a Star Wars-type "Force" that fills the uiniverse-
"Am I only a nearby God? Can you hide? I fill heaven and earth" (Jeremiah 23:23/4)
So he needed human prophets and Jesus to speak through, to help us tap into that force-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)
Well there was a Barbara who used to turn up on dates in horrible old-fashioned clothes and hideous flat shoes, so I bought her a pair of sexy high heels but she refused pointblank to wear them, so I ditched her!
Pity, I was planning to buy her a Wonder Woman outfit next (sniffle)..
Sorry mate but that's quite a blunderbuss of assorted points you've fired at me and I just don't have time to answer the whole caboodle all at once in depth.
My own debating style is to deal with just one point at a time with carefully- aimed sniper fire before moving onto the next..
As a great prophet once said-
"This is this"
For example you said "Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh"; I dunno where you heard that, as Jesus said plenty of times that he wasn't God, e.g-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
As for God's plan, he gave humans FREE WILL to do as they please, so he can see how they shape up, and do a bit of tweaking and pruning when necessary.
Jesus said "My Father is always working" (John 5:17)
Maybe atheists think there's no place for them in his plan, but that's not necessarily true..-
THE ATHEIST CONSERVATIONIST
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God is not a "person", rather he's a Star Wars-type "Force" that fills the uiniverse-
"Am I only a nearby God? Can you hide? I fill heaven and earth" (Jeremiah 23:23/4)
So he needed human prophets and Jesus to speak through, to help us tap into that force-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)
(July 22, 2017 at 5:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:the only women i seemed to meet were a motley assortment of nuts and sluts, slags and bags,
Sounds as if they are not the problem.
Well there was a Barbara who used to turn up on dates in horrible old-fashioned clothes and hideous flat shoes, so I bought her a pair of sexy high heels but she refused pointblank to wear them, so I ditched her!
Pity, I was planning to buy her a Wonder Woman outfit next (sniffle)..
(July 22, 2017 at 6:10 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: So let's see, Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh, because he's a part of the Trinity, and Yahweh is supposed to be unchanging and unchangeable. If you deny the relevance of the OT, you are actually saying that Yahweh is not your god. If you are saying that Yahweh IS the same god, then you imply that Yahweh had a plan, and knew he was going to screw up and change his mind many, many times, and wipe out humanity because he screwed up, then rewrite the whole mess by requiring himself to sacrifice himself to himself to cover up his monumental screwups. If Yahweh had a plan, then he should have perfected it instead of screwing up so much that he'd have to try to cover up his mess with . . . his own blood, because he loves blood and needs to take lives, just like the old bronze age war demon that he actually is. What you're saying is that Jesus was sent to re-write the whole message . . . the war demon needed a spin master. He was too nasty.
And now we also know that there was no "first human couple", no Adam, no Eve. No Garden of Eden, and no apple. No original sin. So, no need for a blood sacrifice. I guess your old bronze age war demon wanted one anyway, huh?
Sorry mate but that's quite a blunderbuss of assorted points you've fired at me and I just don't have time to answer the whole caboodle all at once in depth.
My own debating style is to deal with just one point at a time with carefully- aimed sniper fire before moving onto the next..
As a great prophet once said-
"This is this"
For example you said "Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh"; I dunno where you heard that, as Jesus said plenty of times that he wasn't God, e.g-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
As for God's plan, he gave humans FREE WILL to do as they please, so he can see how they shape up, and do a bit of tweaking and pruning when necessary.
Jesus said "My Father is always working" (John 5:17)
Maybe atheists think there's no place for them in his plan, but that's not necessarily true..-
THE ATHEIST CONSERVATIONIST