(July 23, 2017 at 9:32 pm)Astonished Wrote: The fact that they're doing what they're doing shows that they kind of know that but they're so steeped in self-deception that it doesn't occur to them on a conscious level and so they'll argue that it's not really what it is despite all evidence to the contrary. Just like every religious argument.
Indeed. I'm not pretending it will be as easy as me telling them they're oppressed and them thanking me for it, I'm not so egotistic! Christianity has had a long time to get good at its indoctrination techniques, to the point where even the effective rebuttal of their argument is support for it. But what I'm talking about is meeting their argument rationally so that those watching may be better informed. As we all know, in a debate, you're only going to effect the audience, not the debater.
Sum ergo sum
