RE: World Islamifacation
July 29, 2011 at 1:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 29, 2011 at 1:54 am by Shell B.)
I have to admit, I am a little creeped out by this thread. I believe what is really being said is, "Do you have a problem with terrorists moving into your countries," which is eerie, because the two questions are not interchangeable.
Have you ever thought that perhaps mixing cultures with Islam is actually a good thing? Just look at the difference between American Muslims and Middle Eastern Muslims, for the most part. One cannot be exposed to so much tolerance their entire lives and not be influenced by it. Therefore, you get Muslims who pray five (?) times a day, wear traditional Muslim clothing, but are polite to and tolerant of Americans who are not Muslim. I refuse to judge a group by the actions of even the majority of that group, unless that group is truly a hate group, such as Nazis or neo Nazis. My reason for this is that interpretation thing we're always complaining about. Some Muslims, whether they are correct or not, interpret the Koran differently than others. Take Rayaan for example. He sees a great deal of peaceful suggestions in the Koran precisely where extremists see excuses for violence. Some of us may think his interpretations are wrong, but that is neither he nor there. Either way, he is lending a peaceful voice to a religion that is thought of as violent. He is polite to Americans and Christians here. One day, he will have children and teach them to be the same way and so on.
Cultures mixing, blending, sharing, speaking and even fighting is a good thing. I find separation and invisible lines intolerable. Yes, make regulations to slow the spread of disease over borders and be careful not to collapse your economy, but don't close borders to a specific religious or ethnic group, which would be the only solution if World Islamification really were a problem. Hug a fucking tree and then work your way up to a person. It'll do you some good.
Oh, and I have several points of contention with this.
A. The "US" let the Muslims build that mosque when they laid the groundwork for this country. To deny them the right to do so would be like taking a support beam out of a home. Eventually, it will all crumble if we remove that fundamental principle.
B. The "US" really shouldn't be making that decision. It should be something handled by local government and only as it pertains to building codes, etc. The "issue" should not be the religious nature of the building or it's location, which brings me to . . .
C. This has been mentioned, but I will reiterate, the "Ground Zero" mosque is not at Ground Zero. If you are familiar with the area, you will know that the only reason Manhattan seems so big is because it is a cluster fuck. It is, in fact, a smallish area. Manhattan is a less than 30 sq. mile island with more than 1.5 million people living on it. The smallest touristy island off Cape Cod, MA (Nantucket) is bigger than that. Two blocks away is a big frigging difference. I keep hearing that you will be able to hear the call to prayer from Ground Zero as well. Ha. I doubt they will play it loud enough to be heard over the thousands of fucking people and gridlock of cars that are incessantly on the streets of Manhattan.
D. Encourage the Islamification of the United States? You do realize that there are already Muslims here, right? Oh, and New York City, of which Manhattan is a borough, already has 140 mosques. Article is a little histrionic, but contains that fun fact ---> http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/07/ground-...esman.html Oh yeah, that one fucking mosque amidst a sea of churches and mosques is really going to be the undoing of the United States.
Have you ever thought that perhaps mixing cultures with Islam is actually a good thing? Just look at the difference between American Muslims and Middle Eastern Muslims, for the most part. One cannot be exposed to so much tolerance their entire lives and not be influenced by it. Therefore, you get Muslims who pray five (?) times a day, wear traditional Muslim clothing, but are polite to and tolerant of Americans who are not Muslim. I refuse to judge a group by the actions of even the majority of that group, unless that group is truly a hate group, such as Nazis or neo Nazis. My reason for this is that interpretation thing we're always complaining about. Some Muslims, whether they are correct or not, interpret the Koran differently than others. Take Rayaan for example. He sees a great deal of peaceful suggestions in the Koran precisely where extremists see excuses for violence. Some of us may think his interpretations are wrong, but that is neither he nor there. Either way, he is lending a peaceful voice to a religion that is thought of as violent. He is polite to Americans and Christians here. One day, he will have children and teach them to be the same way and so on.
Cultures mixing, blending, sharing, speaking and even fighting is a good thing. I find separation and invisible lines intolerable. Yes, make regulations to slow the spread of disease over borders and be careful not to collapse your economy, but don't close borders to a specific religious or ethnic group, which would be the only solution if World Islamification really were a problem. Hug a fucking tree and then work your way up to a person. It'll do you some good.
Quote:and now the US are going to let the Muslims build the ground zero mosque which will encourage the Islamifacation of the united states
Oh, and I have several points of contention with this.
A. The "US" let the Muslims build that mosque when they laid the groundwork for this country. To deny them the right to do so would be like taking a support beam out of a home. Eventually, it will all crumble if we remove that fundamental principle.
B. The "US" really shouldn't be making that decision. It should be something handled by local government and only as it pertains to building codes, etc. The "issue" should not be the religious nature of the building or it's location, which brings me to . . .
C. This has been mentioned, but I will reiterate, the "Ground Zero" mosque is not at Ground Zero. If you are familiar with the area, you will know that the only reason Manhattan seems so big is because it is a cluster fuck. It is, in fact, a smallish area. Manhattan is a less than 30 sq. mile island with more than 1.5 million people living on it. The smallest touristy island off Cape Cod, MA (Nantucket) is bigger than that. Two blocks away is a big frigging difference. I keep hearing that you will be able to hear the call to prayer from Ground Zero as well. Ha. I doubt they will play it loud enough to be heard over the thousands of fucking people and gridlock of cars that are incessantly on the streets of Manhattan.
D. Encourage the Islamification of the United States? You do realize that there are already Muslims here, right? Oh, and New York City, of which Manhattan is a borough, already has 140 mosques. Article is a little histrionic, but contains that fun fact ---> http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/07/ground-...esman.html Oh yeah, that one fucking mosque amidst a sea of churches and mosques is really going to be the undoing of the United States.
